Godammed SDN

[starku]

It's a shame I can't find these articles because they were really interesting; the kick starter process is quite formalised and supported these days, but the people you have to deal with, placate and make feel special can be giant assholes

People who don't understand that a project isn't about SPEND ALL MONEY ON PROGRAMMERS

Dude the best thing about fury is that they fundamentally changed the game the day before launch so the manual was totally useless and actively misleading

[Losonti Tokash]

dude the ultimate example of that is those star command dudes, the ones that got yelled at for buying ipads to develop an ipad game

like these panzer pet dudes they offered oodles of physical objects for low donations and so literally half of the money they got from the kickstarter had to pay for that shit

[weemadando]

The Comedy Button (the first Kickstarter I supported) have regularly talked about how the physical rewards process cost FAR more than they'd anticipated as well as taking days upon days of their time to do all the handling/postage component.

This is without going into the "everyone takes commissions before you see a single cent and you have to pay US income taxes on raised funds" part of it.

[weemadando]

Oh man, getting snarky and defensive. The truest sign of a savvy businessman.

[Zablorg]

i feel kind of bad bout messing with this kid

maybe i am getting old

[weemadando]

i feel kind of bad bout messing with this kid

maybe i am getting old

Never been involved in games development Sir?

I'll have you know that I ran a Pen and Paper Games Studio into the ground.

THE GROUND SIR.

Well, not really. But I did run a games studio as an actual business for a year, with direct mentoring from government and corporate agencies, with minimal funds and so have an intimate knowledge of the many MANY MANY issues that these guys probably have never considered as part of the "creative" side.

Pro-tip. Take the amount of money you think you will need. Double it. Add a zero. You're getting close. The amount of sales that you've budgeted for? Remove two zeroes. You're getting close.

The one plus side of Kickstarter is that it can give you a pretty good idea of your market by letting you get a lot of what would have been day one/week one sales in your production cycle. The downside of that is, that you might have drastically cut your launch audience and significantly shortened the tail of your game by taking all those buyers now, which means you may be facing a serious cash shortfall post launch.

But hey, what do we know, we're not "industry types".

[starku]

I got better advice

Do a single course on business management

Take like 3 months

Govt prolly subsidise it in Dutchland

[weemadando]

I did this stuff through NEIS.

Classroom work to get you a Cert IV in Business Management along with regular sessions with State, Federal and Private industry folks about the various pros and cons of your business plans. Then you pitch it to a board of people when you're done and if they're happy with your business plan's viability, you get to keep getting paid NewStart (the dole), but it's called something different and earnings from your business don't effect it for the first year.

I'm certain the Dutch would have something similar.

[starku]

I'm not sure if the neis stuff is the same but I dunno

Regardless you gotta assume they believe their plan is good and all you can do is wait

[weemadando]

Sea Skimmer just... just...



I never thought I would be pulling out this face in regard to a post he made.

[Dooey Jo]

she/he/it/they/we/you/i/one probably cannot do very much to change their business model anyway soooo


but that "death by sexual intercourse" turned out to be amazing

fgalkin is like "guys GUYS mike wong said something somewhere that would sound awesome if the genders were reversed let's discuss this down-to-earth wisdom"

then another guy goes

well in my fanfic if i was getting raped against my will i would wait until she was asleep and then construct a complicated system of ropes and pulleys to drop an anvil on her head when she opened the door. then when she was dizzy i would use my fierce meta-fighting skills to claim victory and be greeted as a hero by the authorities and public

welp all i say is if they didn't want to be raped they probably shouldn't have sported erections because those things are easy to control and also the only place where a man can be raped

[Zablorg]

she/he/it/they/we/you/i/one probably cannot do very much to change their business model anyway soooo


but that "death by sexual intercourse" turned out to be amazing

fgalkin is like "guys GUYS mike wong said something somewhere that would sound awesome if the genders were reversed let's discuss this down-to-earth wisdom"

wait wait wait

am i understanding this right (because I don't see that particular bit in the thread)

it would sound awesome if it was a woman who was forced to have sex to the point of bodily harm?

i mean

[Dooey Jo]

he was asking why these manly men couldn't just leave

if someone had asked why womanly women couldn't just escape from their rapist everyone would see it's a pretty fucked up question

well, unless they think "rape" means "assault in the park at night" and only that i guess

[Zablorg]

has technology truly progressed to the point where physical strength is not necessarily a dominant factor in agressive situations????

[timmy]

Christ, I get comfortable with wikipedia and them I'm reminded

The episode contains several pop culture references. The title of the episode "From Whom the Sleigh Bell Tolls" is a parody of the Metallica song entitled "From Whom the Bell Tolls".

I mean I suppose it could be, but still, jesus.

[starku]

Man wiki is full of stuff like that

Nobody reads books

[Dooey Jo]

has technology truly progressed to the point where physical strength is not necessarily a dominant factor in agressive situations????

well let's list some interesting* assumptions contained within the reasoning

- all men are sufficiently more physically capable than all women to make physical coercion impossible
- physical coercion is the only way to force someone to do something against their will
- it is always wise to use physical force to escape threatening situations
- people always act rationally in threatening situations


*wrong

[Shroom Man 777]

slacked jawed flagg offs this stuff will turn ya into sexual tyrannosauruses just like me

[Shroom Man 777]

mang this would've been a great addition to that beautiful spess ships thread

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

sexual tyrannosaurus

You excited about borderlands 2?

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

sexual tyrannosaurus

You excited about borderlands 2?

mang this would've been a great addition to that beautiful spess ships thread

That's a purty spess chip, but my nasty mutated omega destroyer can kick its butt and probably eat five or six old omegas for dessert!

[Shroom Man 777]

[Oxymoron]

I hear Vladimir Harkonnen is interested in joining TEO.

[Shroom Man 777]

business proposition


http://youtube.com/watch?v=cKewmzrevAw

[Count Chocula]

Is it just me, or is TEO turning into a 90+% game/movie commentary board? N&P and SLAM seem to be suffering from creeping desertification.