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[adr-admin]

only when they say what i want to hear

edit: wait a minute when they do that they are just lying for votes

god damn it

[Losonti Tokash]

they're probably less likely to do it in their private letters, i'd think

[Civil War Man]

Lincoln wanted to end slavery in the US, and he wanted the US to stay a coherent nation.

When the two came into conflict, he realized that one of those priorities might have to supercede the other.

People may need to give up something they want in order to get something they want even more. Who knew?

Anyway, why the north was fighting is largely irrelevant. Even if the north fought solely because Jefferson Davis said something mean about their mothers, the south precipitated the conflict, and they seceded because they thought Lincoln was going to take away their slaves.

[Civil War Man]

they're probably less likely to do it in their private letters, i'd think

In those cases, they say what the person they are writing to wants to hear.

[starku]

they're probably less likely to do it in their private letters, i'd think

Dude some politicians write letters entirely for posterity because they've read history books and know how historical research works

Seriously look at Churchill he minuted shit just so he could quote them later

[Phantasee]

For real? Can you point me somewhere to learn more?

[starku]

When he left office he basically stole heaps of documents that, while his thoughts or whatever, were the property of the state

So he could write his autobiographical history shizz; his history of ww2 is full of that shit and he even gloats about it a bit

I seriously doubt that kind of political jobbing was unique to the British bulldog

The idea that politicians naively felt their personal correspondence was a safe place to unburden their innermost soul is a strange one

Just read wiki even

He said several times: "I will leave judgments on this matter to history – but I will be one of the historians." To circumvent the rules against the use of official documents, he took the precaution throughout the war of having a weekly summary of correspondence, minutes, memoranda and other documents printed in galleys and headed "Prime Minister's personal minutes". These were then stored at his home for future use. As well, Churchill actually wrote or dictated a number of letters and memoranda with the specific intention of placing his views on the record for later use as a historian

I'd expect this understanding of the historical process is at least as old as caesar

[Losonti Tokash]

damn son LESS likely jeez

[starku]

I'm just speaki in general terms

Any given letter could be a totally honest reflection of a persons beliefs

Or it could just be another tool in their life of politics

Pointing at s letter and saying THIS PROOFS THE SUBJECT never truck me as very convincing

But I understand Lincolns beliefs are accessible in many ways from many sources so y'know
Without the moral justification of slavery the war is pretty funny

I mean letters as propaganda is maybe 3000 years old at least y'know

[Phantasee]

I know there's a general avoidance of committing certain conversations to paper. Lots of short meetings, phone calls, but no letters, emails, texts, anything that can be easily shared.

[starku]

The obvious corollary is that stuff committed to paper instantly becomes useful in the way using those methods avoids

Plot your death camps via secret messages
Publish your disgust for slavery in letters to notables

Which will survive to reach historians ? Lol

[Manus Dei]

well

you guys eat snails sometimes

so that means you're inferior to us

cuz we eat nothing but hamburgers

burger eating invasion monkeys

[Questor]

I didn't think about the Seven Years war, but I did the Napoleonic. Just had a brainfart.

Thought process:

Worse than civil war: Napoleonic, WW1, WW2, yup those all came later.

Somehow there was this correlation between Napoleon and the Civil War, but I'm pretty sure that was Napoleon the third.

Edit: you know, it would be a lot less confusing if the europeans would not number their monarchs. I mean 16 Louis? We're they just that uncreative?

[starku]

Louis napoleon the citizen king in the second French empire was schooled by Bismarck in 1870 after the civil war

[F.J. Prefect, Esq]

Man if only someone had photographed my face when I was eleven and I learned there was actually more than one Napoleon

What a load of bullshit

[starku]

Only one was the Antichrist tho

[timmy]

Fictional characters

*Napoleon (Animal Farm), a character in George Orwell's novel
*Napoleon Bonaparte (fictional detective), a character created by Arthur Upfield
*Napoleone Di Carlo, a detective created by Italian comic book writer Carlo Ambrosini for the series of the same name published by Sergio Bonelli Editore
*Napoleon Solo, a The Man from U.N.C.L.E. character
*Napoleon Wilson, an Assault on Precinct 13 character
*Napoleon and Uncle Elby, a syndicated American comic strip by Clifford McBride
*Napoleon, a Bloodhound in Aristocats and Aristocats 2
*Napoleon Dynamite, the protagonist of the film Napoleon Dynamite
*The protagonist of the novel My Uncle Napoleon

Mmm, I see.

[timmy]

Oh man

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After hearing it on the news so much lately I wanted to start an indie band called Austerity Measure but it turned out that's already a thing in Texas

[Bakustra]

there was an aristocats two?

speaking about movies, avengers is disturbingly fascist in its approach to superheroes, what with the real conflict being between a group of oligarchs and a single despot as to who will rule the world, ending in the world of superheroes. discuss.

[Questor]

Why should I care? The were lots of big splosions and there was a fight scene where Scarlett Johannsen kicks three russian's ass in a Little Black Dress.

There was a plot?

[Bakustra]

Why should I care? The were lots of big splosions and there was a fight scene where Scarlett Johannsen kicks three russian's ass in a Little Black Dress.

There was a plot?

honestly, im going off plot summaries because the next thing i can remember after getting my ticket taken is horking up a fused mass of skittles into a drinking fountain three and a half hours later

needless to say, i will not be returning to that theater

[starku]

People can't even imagine the existence of others smarter than them

[Veef]

wait

loki is a gay rapist

can't a guy wear a fashionable suit and rock the mullet of champions while shoving his mind control rod through the chest of unwilling ants without getting the boot of labeling?

[Shroom Man 777]

i don't care

i spent the morning doing eskrima

then we had barbecue at the training yard and i grilled meat for the masters and students

and then we spent the afternoon drinking rum and cola and talking philosophy and shit

total victory day

[F.J. Prefect, Esq]

Yesterday I hung out with my almost-three nephew

He is a rad little dude