Trek Thread

[Stofsk]

Star Trek Beyond is the tits

go see it

NAOW

[Bounty]

Star Trek Beyond is the tits

go see it

NAOW

yeah that's going to be a problem for, oh, the next two weeks

I'm happy to hear that it's good. From what I've been picking up it's far from perfect but it has the right spirit. Too bad they spoiled like half the plot in the trailers.

Wild guess: Enterprise is wrecked by $villain, crew is captured, Kirk and bridge crew escape and team up with locals, fix up an old spaceship, chase after the $villain and stop him before he can use $superweapon on that fancy starbase from the trailer? And I bet $villain had some sort of connection to the crashed ship.

[Stofsk]

stop being cynical

[Bounty]

but then how will i sleep at night

the world is scary and i'm all alone

[Stofsk]

[Crazedwraith]

Star Trek Beyond is the tits

go see it

NAOW

Qft.

[uraniun235]

yeah even i think Beyond is easily best of the new movies

[Stofsk]

Star Trek Beyond is the tits

go see it

NAOW

Qft.

yeah even i think Beyond is easily best of the new movies

[Civil War Man]

Saw it, but I couldn't really get into it. I think this is the first time excessive shaky-cam actually gave me a headache.

Also, I found the part where they destroyed the invincible alien armada with the power of the Beastie Boys to be goofy as fuck

[The Spartan]

Awww.... I liked that part....

[Civil War Man]

I can see why people would like it. I just thought it was goofy.

Especially the part where the ship is literally surfing a wave of ships, as in the enemy ships for some reason flew in a formation designed to look like a wave, and the Franklin flew through that formation like a surfer. The only way it could have been goofier would be if they were instead playing Fight For Your Right and Krall started talking like the uptight Dean in an Animal House-esque frat comedy, ranting about those unruly kids playing that degenerate "Hippety Hop" music.

[Stofsk]

I thought it was goofy too, but in a good way. This is the same franchise that gave us Kirk outlogicing a genocidal all powerful space probe. Or having a different kind of all powerful space probe nearly wipe out all life on Earth because the humpback whales were extinct. Or talking robots to death or convincing sentient AIs to commit suicide. Or had a literal giant space amoeba be an actual thing. Or meeting literally the Greek god Apollo.

The original series was undeniably cheesy at times.

[Bounty]

The original series was undeniably cheesy at times.

Logic is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad. Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your ears are green!

[adr]

"why would anybody steal deuterium, you can find it anywhere" - tom paris

oh voyager i love you i really do and that line is totally true

but they themselves have made it a plot point before... more than once oh well in my head-canon i say they were actually looking for dilithium or something rare like that

[Crazedwraith]

Someone must have correct their science. Ret-cons for the win.

Same as the 'i've never flown at transwarp' line from Tom Paris, breaker of the transwarp barrier.

[adr]

"I suggest" is used SO much in the Voyager dialog, SO MUCH.

[adr]

I don't even know why I even bother living anymore. My whole life is ruined.

That's right, I just finished Star Trek: Voyager. I no longer have it to look forward to All that's ahead is the despair that is.... Enterprise.


so endgame is the worst finale since turnabout intruder

though that doesn't mean it is bad, it just doesn't stack up to all good things and what you leave behind. It could just as well be any other random episode in the series (remember "Timeless"?), just this time, the ending is, ironically, more lackluster. Yeah, the plan works and they get home which most don't do, but we don't have one of the codas which Voyager typically does pretty well.

Eh, I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. I'm gonna miss this show, until next time.

[Crazedwraith]

They should have returned home at the end of s6 or halfway through s7 and then done a lot of coda episodes about them being home.

iir chuck correctly they even considered doing that at one point

[adr]

Yeah, they wanted to send them home even in like season 6 but Berman didn't.... near the end of season 7 would have been good though, or heck, even just at the end of Endgame part 1.

Part 1 kinda showed what would happen to them.... but since it was an alternate timeline, it doesn't really work for me, some of it is explicitly erased and who knows what else would change. What happened to Seven? Did Harry actually make Lieutenant? Did they keep in touch with Neelix?

Oh well, I guess I can assume the best since it isn't contradicted.

* * *

So, my overall impression of the show is positive. I'd say season 5 was the best, but none of them were really bad. There were a number of boring episodes and some good ones with bad scenes, and yes, even a few plain bad episodes, but the only one that really pissed me off was the episode "Fury".

I just felt betrayed there, "The Gift" had them crying together and I kinda like Kes, so when she's angry enough to blow up the ship... for reasons that just didn't make sense to me.... it made me angry.

Watching Chuck's review of the episode now and he said right at 3 mins what I was thinking.... though at 12 mins, he describes a much better idea! ugh, that would totes be better than what we got.

terrible episode.

[Stofsk]

I didn't think Endgame was a great way to end the series, but honestly I really liked how they didn't get home until the final scene and the final shot was Voyager approaching Earth with an escort. THAT part I really liked.

It's really the rest of the episode that feels lacklustre.

[adr]

Eh, I didn't hate it, but I just would have liked to see more afterward.

But yeah, the rest of the episode just wasn't really finale material. "All Good Things" sets a nice bar.

[adr]

ON TO ENTERPRISE

I actually like the theme song to it as an independent song, and the images plus the lyrics fit pretty nicely, but it still felt really out of place when it actually played... maybe it is my tv's speakers though, they are really bad, but Voyager's theme song always seemed right to me. oh well.

So on a similar vein, what I'm trying to do is watch the show without being a continuity nitpicker, but I still can't help but think disastrous first contact with the Klingons led to decades of war.. and moreover, the episode didn't grasp my attention that well and the Vulcans are totally annoying. Eh, my overall feeling of Broken Bow remains negative, and that absolutely disgusting decontamination scene, that was offensively bad. WTF.

Oh well, let's move on.

[Crazedwraith]

I'm actually surprised to find there are bits of Trek you don't like

Enterprise didn't endear itself right out the gate with the prequel bit. Too reminiscent of what Star Wars was doing and too much potential for nitpickery.

To an overthinker the name rankles as well. It's sort of have your cake and eat it sort of thing. You know it's Star Trek but we won't call it Star Trek because cool kids don't watch Star Trek... (over thinking like I said) That continuity snarl could have been avoid just by calling the main ship something different. Y'Know like the other two shows. And if we go by Hope & Fear. The NX-01-A was called 'Dauntless'. That sounds badass and exploration-friendly at the same time.

Ugh.

But no. Positive outlook! Positivity is good. I'll say this for Broken Bow, it has that bit where the phasergun has laser sight and a laser beam coming out of the same hole. 13 year old me though that was cool.

I need to get back to DS9 (now on netflix. When I got my season 1 dvds my watching petered out with Vortex. Battle Lines with Opaka is next up. It's that or.... b5 s5. I need to watch these dvds i buy.

[adr]

Until now, I had never actually even seen like 1/4 of all Star Trek! Though, by the end of the next month, I'll have that remedied. All that's left is Enterprise (and I have seen a handful of these before, I watched the first three or four when it originally aired, and a small few since then - I'm doing "strange new world" now and I remember it fairly well).

But yeah, I'm pretty forgiving, even if something is bad I can enjoy it anyway - the worst I tend to say is something was boring and didn't keep my attention.... which doesn't leave hugely negative feelings because I'll just do something else, so it isn't even that much of a time waster either.

After this, I think I'm going to watch Babylon 5, I have had that on dvd for a while too and never actually seen it.

[Stofsk]

I actually really enjoyed Broken Bow when I saw it a couple months ago, along with most of season 1. Even Dear Doctor, which is a bad episode, was good for most of it up until the last five minutes. It reminded me of Data's Day.

I seriously can't get over how much I could just sit back and enjoy Enterprise without going 'zomg SDN says this show is stupid.' That place really poisons one's thinking.