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starku wrote:moreso than still giving a shit about a bleh show from 20 years ago

ok stop shitting this thread right now

this is a place to memorialize a beloved dead show

you could have chosen to be positive or neutral but you chose negative

i'm putting this thread up for administrative review as of this moment, mister

i CAN'T be racist sir

i like CAPTAIN KIRK

good day

chris, unfortunately you can't even use the fed philosophy to limit their expansion etc, because the plots of the show (and the other cultures) prevent it

even if you ignore dumb shit like HOLOGRAM MINE SLAVES you're still not there because people complain about shortages or supplies or whatevs

it's jsut the stuff peopl are short of isn't food/water/sex

well unless it's some kind of space drug for space cancer

yeah what throws me is stuff like 'we've eliminated poverty and stuff' in the 23rd/24th century and 'we don't have money ok'

obviously food/water is bountiful, and maybe energy is also pretty cheap, but they do talk about needing to get resupplied at starbases and shit and that's just the military side of things

to be fair you don't have to have a post-scarcity society to be able to say "we've eliminated poverty". with enough surplus, you can basically say "okay everyone's guaranteed food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine. but if you want to romp in the holodeck you gotta work/pay."

not so much with "no money", though.

uraniun235 wrote:to be fair you don't have to have a post-scarcity society to be able to say "we've eliminated poverty". with enough surplus, you can basically say "okay everyone's guaranteed food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine. but if you want to romp in the holodeck you gotta work/pay."

not so much with "no money", though.

the daft thing is they apparently have some form of currency because you see dr. crusher asking a merchant to bill her account in the pilot episode

whether they have money or not depends on who wrote the episode


then you have assholes like ron moore saying "they don't have money and i think that's stupid so i'm going to mock it in the episode"

but it's ok because ds9 was entertaining too



SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF TIME

"now you're going to tell me you don't have any money in the 23rd century"

"we don't!"


see kirk wasn't talking about the federation as a whole. he was just talking about himself and his lover, mr. spock.

spock likes to appear all logical and shit, but you know all those trinkets and robes in his quarters? yeah the motherfucker spends like crazy

and in kirk's house, his collection of antiques? yeah he lives paycheck to paycheck cuz he pisses it all away on that useless shit


so kirk was indeed penniless like he said

wait a god damn minute

what did he do with the money from selling his glasses? did he spend it all on the bus and museum?

or was he just a tightwad who wanted her to pick up the tab!?

adr wrote:wait a god damn minute

what did he do with the money from selling his glasses? did he spend it all on the bus and museum?

or was he just a tightwad who wanted her to pick up the tab!?

he spread it around the other crew members so everybody probably got like $20 each

yeah

adr wrote:wait a god damn minute

what did he do with the money from selling his glasses? did he spend it all on the bus and museum?

or was he just a tightwad who wanted her to pick up the tab!?

dude you have to plan ahead and conserve vital resources that may be needed later when the perky biologist may not be around

Zod wrote:

uraniun235 wrote:to be fair you don't have to have a post-scarcity society to be able to say "we've eliminated poverty". with enough surplus, you can basically say "okay everyone's guaranteed food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine. but if you want to romp in the holodeck you gotta work/pay."

not so much with "no money", though.

the daft thing is they apparently have some form of currency because you see dr. crusher asking a merchant to bill her account in the pilot episode

yeah but nobody had any idea what the hell was going on in first season anyway

roddenberry was back and forth on whether he liked something or not, rewriting shit at random, and put bluntly david gerrold allegedly deserved a co-creator credit on the show for basically writing the whole first draft or two of the show bible

if we want to go with the whole "no money" thing, most andean societies lacked currency and got by with barter on the interpersonal scale and governmental distribution on the larger scale- eg everybody got a certain amount of food, goods, and so on from storehouses

hilariously for everybody who babbles about how command economies never work, the inca had perpetual overproduction of goods, so much that the imperial court continued to use all of the emperor's belongings after he died- including his palace and his food shares

then the next emperor picked a fresh court, built his own palace, mined precious metals for all his own jewelry, et cetera

of course, that's not really reconciliable with everything, but it's an example of a moneyless and developed society

maybe in the future they have something a little like that

or they're just poking fun at physical money

Your money is made out of cotton.

Our money is made of of FUTURISTIC POLYMERS.

Australian dollar = currency of the future

Maybe their money is made of transparent aluminum

that's why you can't see it

Ohhh, good point!

But yeah latinum.

Maybe latinum is the US dollar of the trek verse, and the ufp is a backwater economically

So it looks like Netflix finally put Deep Space 9 in their libraries. About time.

Right after I cancelled that shit!

Zod wrote:So it looks like Netflix finally put Deep Space 9 in their libraries. About time.

Why do you want to rip something you'll never watch

starku wrote:

Zod wrote:So it looks like Netflix finally put Deep Space 9 in their libraries. About time.

Why do you want to rip something you'll never watch

I mean their streaming libraries

I was wanting to watch the show the other day but i don't feel like torrenting it

Captain John Shaft?

so in the 2009 movie

did anyone ever notice that when Captain the Mummy at the beginning goes to take a shuttle from the bridge to the shuttle bay, he comes down the elevator

when the shuttle bay is higher than bridge :/

can't say as i did

oh i watched the movie the other day

McCoy makes me squeeee

but all those industrial starship interiors kind of gave me a TARDIS effect

and also the concrete floors reminded me of Space Mutiny =3=

Where's the bridge then? Did they not go with the standard nipple?