Lament 3: Cry Hard With A Vengeance

[Infinity Biscuit]

I don't think it's very conducive to anything to just blithely dismiss a member of a racial minority's perspective on race relations. I mean you don't have to agree with what he's saying but to treat it as inane nonsense because it's coming from another perspective is kind of the opposite of the way to go.

[Losonti Tokash]

saxtonite is actually being pretty interesting by calling it "white English" instead of just "normal English" like everyone else in the thread and it's clearly made some people uncomfortable

i approve

[Oxymoron]

Yesterday was my last day at work. My contract officially end tomorrow. I'm waiting for the exams' results to come and know if I succeeded this year and got me a new degree or if I failed yet another thing in my life.

Was so tired yesterday that I didn't even go to a party I was invited to.

Still a bit tired today even after 12 hours of sleep.

Monday I'll have to go check in the unemployment office.

Yeepee...

[Aaron]

saxtonite is actually being pretty interesting by calling it "white English" instead of just "normal English" like everyone else in the thread and it's clearly made some people uncomfortable

i approve

Is ebonics not recognized as a dialect?

[RyanThunder]

Should it be?

[Oxymoron]

From wikipedia :

The term dialect (from the ancient Greek word Διάλεκτος diálektos, "discourse", from διά diá, "through" + λέγω legō, "I speak") is used in two distinct ways, even by linguists. One usage refers to a variety of a language that is a characteristic of a particular group of the language's speakers.[1] The term is applied most often to regional speech patterns, but a dialect may also be defined by other factors, such as social class.[2] A dialect that is associated with a particular social class can be termed a sociolect, a dialect that is associated with a particular ethnic group can be termed as ethnolect, and a regional dialect may be termed a regiolect or topolect. The other usage refers to a language that is socially subordinate to a regional or national standard language, often historically cognate to the standard, but not a variety of it or in any other sense derived from it.[citation needed]

By these definitions, it wouldn't be hard to argue that it is.

[RyanThunder]

Ah, ok. I thought it had some kind of official implication.

saxtonite is actually being pretty interesting by calling it "white English" instead of just "normal English" like everyone else in the thread and it's clearly made some people uncomfortable

i approve

Making people uncomfortable without a point is stupid though. It /is/ normal English. The Americans just need to step up their schooling and figure out why this is still a problem.

[Infinity Biscuit]

If you don't speak proper Ursprache, you're just speaking a lazy degenerate way of talking. Go back to school!

[evilsoup]

no Americans speak proper English

[RyanThunder]

If you don't speak proper Ursprache, you're just speaking a lazy degenerate way of talking. Go back to school!

What's Ursprache?

[Infinity Biscuit]

Well gee now the joke's kinda ruined but uh

it's a term for proto-language.

Any argument for new dialects being "wrong" and how they need to speak "normal" [language] can be repeated until you hit the earliest common language of humanity so

yeah that's the joke :L

[Oxymoron]

Remind me it's been a long while since we last saw Duckie...

[Losonti Tokash]

yeah she was always the best at this sort of thing

but part of the idea is attaching labels to things considered "normal" or "proper" in a way that makes them look abnormal

prescriptivist language is kinda dumb to begin with but railing against AAVE is almost entirely motivated by racial or class stereotypes

edit: the majority wants to feel like they're the baseline or normal so talking about their views as "white English or culture" makes them uncomfortable and ought to be a learning experience

[Oxymoron]

no Americans speak proper English

Most examples of British English I've heard were at best hard to understand, as they garble and eat the words. This include regularly talking with a guy from Colchester.

To a point where Texan may be easier to understand.

[>:3]

This topic reminds me of the lol I get whenever I hear film and television depicting British folk of centuries past speaking with modern British accents.

[evilsoup]

no Americans speak proper English

Most examples of British English I've heard were at best hard to understand, as they garble and eat the words. This include regularly talking with a guy from Colchester.

To a point where Texan may be easier to understand.

That's not the point.
If you, a Frenchman, can't understand us, I actually consider that a minor victory

[evilsoup]

This topic reminds me of the lol I get whenever I hear film and television depicting British folk of centuries past speaking with modern British accents.

Well, trying to replicate accurate accents from a time before voice recordings would be an exercise in futility
the real lol is all the Romans having British accents

[RyanThunder]

yeah she was always the best at this sort of thing

but part of the idea is attaching labels to things considered "normal" or "proper" in a way that makes them look abnormal

prescriptivist language is kinda dumb to begin with but railing against AAVE is almost entirely motivated by racial or class stereotypes

edit: the majority wants to feel like they're the baseline or normal so talking about their views as "white English or culture" makes them uncomfortable and ought to be a learning experience

Well hey man, if you want them to start teaching people to 'axe' questions in school then we can start calling it something different.

For now, it's 'normal', 'proper', etc. and calling it anything else is merely silly or petulant and not at all thought-provoking.

[Losonti Tokash]

it's only not thought provoking because you refuse to think or consider anything outside of your incredibly narrow experience

[Flagg]

I think regional dialects where words are mispronounced sound ignorant as fuck.

[Losonti Tokash]

I think regional dialects where words are mispronounced sounds ignorant as fuck.

i hate to tell you this but you speak a regional dialect that mispronounces words

[Oxymoron]

It only reinforce the point

[Flagg]

I think regional dialects where words are mispronounced sounds ignorant as fuck.

i hate to tell you this but you speak a regional dialect that mispronounces words

I know. But I'm better than you so Nya.

[Oxymoron]

no Americans speak proper English

Most examples of British English I've heard were at best hard to understand, as they garble and eat the words. This include regularly talking with a guy from Colchester.

To a point where Texan may be easier to understand.

That's not the point.
If you, a Frenchman, can't understand us, I actually consider that a minor victory

People ask Europeans why they have so many difficulties building the United States of Europe.

Well, for starter I don't think the USA have to deal with the fact of having their states speaking different languages. That and it only got one civil war in its history : we killed each other almost continuously for more than two thousand years.

[>:3]

You people need to stop stubbornly rejecting education and proper manners and learn to pronounce misk correctly.