New Testingstan

RyanThunder wrote:That's all well and good except that the vast majority of the goddamn planet is made up of total fucking idiots.

RyanThunder wrote:That's all well and good except that the vast majority of the goddamn planet is made up of total fucking idiots.

Aaron wrote:

RyanThunder wrote:That's all well and good except that the vast majority of the goddamn planet is made up of total fucking idiots.

Fear is your enemy, the only enemy. You should work on mastering it.

evilsoup wrote:I thought it was finland who had the high gun ownership/low gun crime thing

it stems from having no clue how the rest of the outside world functions

i think that for a lot of guise like that, and in a way hpca-er types too who are in a way similar, it's liek... they're a bunch of isolated scared people who have no idea what they're getting themselves into, or who seem to think that they know everything about what they're getting themselves into

when, it turns out, they're just in a river steamship

and the rest of the world around them, the places the rest of us dwell in and exist in, is the vast and deep and inscrutable jungle thats around their little PT boat

I totally agree with you Aaron that Finland has all the historical incentives to not be a dis-armed society.

BTW, I think Finland is one of the few European countries to still have conscription & military service. Given the size of its population, it's understandable they would want everyone to be able to fight should the shit hit the fan, I'd say..

Shroom Man 777 wrote:maybe i mistook my european countries in making my flippant soundbite

Armscor deal

Police corruption is also highlighted in the procurement of equipment for law enforcers, according to the leaked cable.

It cited a procurement decision in 2003 to replace existing stocks of 9mm handguns with caliber .45 1911-A1 pistols that allegedly benefited a relative of then First Gentleman Jose Miguel "Mike" Arroyo.

"In a P20-million peso ($377,358) contract, the PNP amended its 1995 specifications for caliber .45 handguns. This change caused gun dealers to complain that the changes were made to allow only the purchase of model 1911-A1 pistols made by Arms Corporation of the Philippines (Armscor)," the cable said.

"Gun dealers grumbled that the PNP sought to 'change the rules to favor the company owned by (First Gentleman) Mike Arroyo's first cousin’ (Demetrio "Bolo" Tuason). One disgruntled gun dealer commented that 'if this isn't tailoring specs to favor Armscor, then I don't know what is,'" it revealed.

Gun dealers later also complained that in tests conducted by the PNP, the Armscor pistols' safety broke during the drop test and jammed at 3,000 rounds, when the PNP's minimum for an endurance test is 5,000 rounds.

"During training conducted in 2005 in the Philippines by Joint Inter-Agency Task Force-West personnel, trainers commented that the Armscor .45s were unreliable, inaccurate, and potentially dangerous to the operator. Nevertheless, Armscor remains an approved supplier to the PNP," it said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/08/25 ... olice-mess