Is it me being obtuse, or does the book's synopsis sound, like, REALLY pretentious ?
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:30 am
by Straha
The dude paints himself as Heidegger's successor. He's full on Teutonic pretension the likes of which is rarely seen in the world.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:38 am
by artemas
able to synthesize, with immense erudition
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:48 am
by Oxymoron
What I find funny is the fact that the guy taking 2,500 pages to explain his idea(s?) is marketed as a sign of quality of the reflection held. Somehow.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:03 am
by Straha
Quackustra wrote:
Rob Herrick wrote:Solution: the Obama tax. If you gave, advocated or otherwise for Obama, you get taxed to hell and gone. Between Facebook and the FEC, we know who funded him. You voted for it, you get it good and hard. We could probably expand that to all registered Democrats. They put their money where their mouth was, if they don't like what they voted for and what, by their affiliations and donation, they stand for, the Republican Party is open for business. So're the Libertarians, the Constitutionalists, and so forth.
hahahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahaha
unironically advocating the motherfuckin' mistreatment of political parties while they piss about how Obama is a fascist
Doesn't he realize that paying taxes is patriotic? That taxes keep democracy on the march? That we need Taxes for guns?
You know, I've thought on occassion maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to have a system where (within reason) people who support a policy have to disproportionately feel whatever negative effects it has (if it's a tax increase they get taxed more, if it's a spending cut their benefits are cut more, if it's a war or a big labor project they're the first to get drafted etc.).
I mean, I don't know if it actually is a good idea or not (wouldn't be surprised if it's actually really dumb if you really think about it), but the idea has a certain gut-level appeal to me. Put your money where your mouth is, and it might ease resentment on the other side to know their opponents cared enough about the objective good of the policy to opt for it even if it would themselves worst.
But I think of it as a "within reason you shouldn't be willing to demand things of others you aren't willing to do yourself" thing, not a blatant "fuck the people who disagree with me and let's try to disincentivize them from doing so" thing which is the feeling I get out of that post.
These days, though, it's Drones, Drones, drones of all kinds!
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:20 pm
by adr
Jung wrote:You know, I've thought on occassion maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to have a system where (within reason) people who support a policy have to disproportionately feel whatever negative effects it has (if it's a tax increase they get taxed more, if it's a spending cut their benefits are cut more, if it's a war or a big labor project they're the first to get drafted etc.).
it sounds pretty good to me
surely asking the people who want something to work for it is better than forcing those who don't want it to do the work
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:37 pm
by evilsoup
There;s no way to enforce that without getting rid of the secret ballot, and you can have that when you take it from my cold, dead hands.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:41 pm
by adr
The beauty of it is that it doesn't need enforcement.
Take a vote for war. If you want those who support it to be the ones primarily fighting it, then don't draft anyone. Have a fair economy so working class people don't feel the military is their only option to make a living, and don't punish soldiers who refuse to fight.
Now the only people who actually go through with it will be ones who support the war.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:45 pm
by evilsoup
I assumed you meant 'this is a good idea to implement right now' rather than 'this would be the natural result of a future socialist utopia'.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:03 pm
by adr
The point is that enforcement is the problem, not the solution. There's no need to get rid of the secret ballot.
If you want people who agree with a war to be the ones fighting it.... then have a volunteer military rather than a draft. (Though to have this fully implemented means addressing inequality, of course.)
If you want people who agree with a tax to be the ones who pay more of it.... then ask for donations instead of levying a tax. Then the people who don't agree simply won't donate.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:15 pm
by RyanThunder
lol that is so not an effective solution
Like at all
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:30 pm
by evilsoup
adr are you turning into a libertarian now?
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:51 pm
by RyanThunder
I thought he was already some kind of anarchist
though tbh, they're close enough that its not really worth differentiating imo
both get filed safely away in the 'things that would never, ever work unless people were suddenly not cripplingly stupid' bin, regardless
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:07 pm
by uraniun235
i've always said we were going to get new lols when adr finally decided to check out anarchism
anyway hey HPCA watchers have there been any new posts on Petraeus? i bet old Stuart's either devastated by the unprofessionalism of his treasured ~most intellectual general~, or fuming with rage at the ~media hit job~ on america's greatest hero
i'm leaning towards there being some hilarious conspiracy theories flying around over there but as always i cannot be arsed to look for myself
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:33 pm
by Oxymoron
evilsoup wrote:adr are you turning into a libertarian now?
If my files on him are correct, the answer to this question would be that he has been one before when he was younger.
Also, he likes Ron Paul.
Re: HPCA does the election!
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:07 pm
by evilsoup
Wasn't the Ron Paul thing more a 'lesser evil' thing?
Also lol rabid, I can just imagine you keeping files on all of us in case we turn evil, like a gallic batman