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evilsoup wrote:Well roguice, I was there to advise, but at the end of the day it's her money so

I have to admit, living in Florida my whole life probably makes me feel more harshly toward old people than I should.

Goddamn snowbirds.

evilsoup wrote:damnit we need a shrugging smiley

^^

Dooey Jo wrote:

Questor wrote:

Dooey Jo wrote:haha oh man, programming on a laptop keyboard is annoying enough, but it's downright hilarious on a pad that's too small to even use two hands and where if you make a mistake you either have to slowly delete everything you wrote before it or try to put the caret in the right position with your finger, the hit area of which is three times larger than the characters you're trying to select, because obviously arrow keys are so '90s

Who advocates programming on a tablet? The purge must commence!

mostly people who cannot program and/or have never used a tablet

but tools are cropping up by the minute

"An extremely steep price of $7.90." Are you kidding me?

My primary IDE runs pretty darn close to $14,000 list. Now I'm aware that the open source world has different options but what kind of moron thinks that a non-open source IDE that costs that little is gonna be good at all?

what the hell kind of ide do you use

Maybe something for a proprietary language, or for some specific niche applications ?

nobody gives a fuck about programmers

i'm not fucking programming on an ipad or tablet

i'm looking at porn or reading pdfs or tweaking a powerpoint presentation or playing games or tweeting

actually i'm pretty much just tweeting and facebooking all the fucking time

you know, actual productive real world work

until programmers get over themselves and realize they are not the normal use case for pretty much any piece of consumer technology, we will continue to have these stupid arguments with stupid people like ryan

I'm not sure how serious you are, but if you are, you're what's wrong with the world today.

Bounty wrote:what the hell kind of ide do you use

That's the list price for VS2012 Ultimate. We don't pay anywhere near that much in reality.

EDIT: Wait, that includes the TechNet subs. Without that it's like $5000 in the MS Store.

FURTHER EDIT: To clarify, the cost is simply a proxy measure of the amount of work that goes into the IDE/Documentation. An $8 IDE is not going to fund the kind of work that you find in most commercial IDEs. FLOSS IDEs have a different development model, and are therefor distinct, but none of those IDEs in the article was FLOSS.

The free versions of VS are more on the lines of give hobbyists/low markup/individual coders what they need, but keep the multi-person stuff on the paid scale. Not to mention the license restrictions on them.

Questor wrote:FLOSS IDEs have a different development model, and are therefor distinct, but none of those IDEs in the article was FLOSS.

FLOSS IDEs are also stinking piles of shit.

Really doesn't help that gcc, the GPLed compiler to use, is actively hostile to any sort of integration which kinda a bad thing for an Integrated Development Enviroment.

Phantasee wrote:nobody gives a fuck about programmers

I think your coworkers might be rubbing off on you.

until programmers get over themselves and realize they are not the normal use case for pretty much any piece of consumer technology, we will continue to have these stupid arguments with stupid people like ryan

People like me wrote your world, you goddamn ingrate. Without people like me, civilization as you know it would not fucking exist.

Show a little respect.

i'm not fucking programming on an ipad or tablet

i'm looking at porn or reading pdfs or tweaking a powerpoint presentation or playing games or tweeting

actually i'm pretty much just tweeting and facebooking all the fucking time

you know, actual productive real world work

Facebook and twitter are not productive work.

Bounty wrote:I'm not sure how serious you are, but if you are, you're what's wrong with the world today.

He works for the Conservative Party of Canada. He's like the textbook definition of what's wrong with the world today.

Actually he works for the Alberta conservatives. I don't think their the same.

Aaron wrote:Actually he works for the Alberta conservatives. I don't think their the same.

I stand corrected, then. I keep forgetting that the provincial and federal level parties aren't actually the same.

Phantasee wrote:i'm looking at porn

you make me sick

this shit is hilarious

WE WROTE YOUR WORLD YOU INGRATES

Losonti Tokash wrote:this shit is hilarious

WE WROTE YOUR WORLD YOU INGRATES

Phantasee wrote:until programmers get over themselves and realize they are not the normal use case for pretty much any piece of consumer technology, we will continue to have these stupid arguments with stupid people like ryan

Aaron wrote:Actually he works for the Alberta Progressive Conservatives. I don't think their the same.

FTFY

RyanThunder wrote:Facebook and twitter are not productive work.

I'm sorry, outside of antisocial nerds, people consider the government and political parties using social media, in addition to the mass media, to engage the public on issues of interest to them, to be 'productive work'. TRY AGAIN

RyanThunder wrote:

Bounty wrote:I'm not sure how serious you are, but if you are, you're what's wrong with the world today.

He works for the Conservative Party of Canada. He's like the textbook definition of what's wrong with the world today.

thanks for the unwarranted and baseless slander btw

ps People like me wrote the laws and regulations your world runs on, you goddamn ingrate. Without people like me, civilization as you know it would not fucking exist.

I would be A-Okay with that.

ah, what's the point. You and Los, etc. are never going to admit that programmers are critical to the functioning of modern society, and I'm never going to pretend that you're qualified to write laws without any technical knowledge in whatever it is you're legislating. or that your party does more good than harm, for that matter. Los and Zod will forever dance around any points I make, and IS will occasionally pipe in with a hearty 'fuck you' for good measure.

so why don't we skip the 70+ pages of shitposting and just descend into name-calling, already.

RyanThunder wrote:ah, what's the point. You and Los, etc. are never going to admit that programmers are critical to the functioning of modern society, and I'm never going to pretend that you're qualified to write laws without any technical knowledge in whatever it is you're legislating. or that your party does more good than harm, for that matter. Los and Zod will forever dance around any points I make, and IS will occasionally pipe in with a hearty 'fuck you' for good measure.

so why don't we skip the 70 pages of shitposting and just descend into name-calling.

I could explain what's wrong with this but you'd probably just accuse me of not listening no matter what I said. Because obviously you're infallible.

ryan are you actually this stupid or just a liar

around and around we go

is this how batman feels

RyanThunder wrote:ah, what's the point. You and Los, etc. are never going to admit that programmers are critical to the functioning of modern society, and I'm never going to pretend that you're qualified to write laws without any technical knowledge in whatever it is you're legislating. or that your party does more good than harm, for that matter. Los and Zod will forever dance around any points I make, and IS will occasionally pipe in with a hearty 'fuck you' for good measure.

so why don't we skip the 70+ pages of shitposting and just descend into name-calling, already.

it's not a question of whether programmers are critical to the functioning of modern society

i completely agree they are

but in matters of consumer technology, you (as a class of people) seem to be blind to the wants and needs of the rest of society

your needs are not the same as everyone else's needs, and your opinions are not objectively correct

dismissing the buying habits of the public, dismissing the public's opinions, doesn't help you (as a class of people) in any way

Straha wrote:I would be A-Okay with that.

shush you

Phantasee wrote:it's not a question of whether programmers are critical to the functioning of modern society

i completely agree they are

Alright, sorry.

but in matters of consumer technology, you (as a class of people) seem to be blind to the wants and needs of the rest of society

your needs are not the same as everyone else's needs, and your opinions are not objectively correct

dismissing the buying habits of the public, dismissing the public's opinions, doesn't help you (as a class of people) in any way

Well, I have the sneaking suspicion that the public in general is just simply not even aware of alternatives. I mean, without intending to imply that its bad if you don't; do you even know what an iPaq was?