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Call him a hypocrite if you want (frankly, this isn't an argument I care to have), but it is documented fact that he publically spoke out against plural marriage.Kryten wrote: Given Smith himself married a 14-year-old girl, I somehow doubt that.
Flagg wrote:You know, I once told Stark ADR couldn't possibly be any more of an annoying piece of shit. I was wrong. I WAS WRONG!
While he was marrying people left right and sideways, including his friends' wives, receiving revelation that his first wife could sleep around, and telling people in no uncertain terms that the only way to receive exaltation was through Plural Marriage. Indeed, all references to 'Celestial Marriage' until the Twentieth Century were explicitly, and only, about the covenant of Plural Marriage. The secrecy he used at the time can also be tied pretty explicitly to his growing interest in Masonry and the rise of the Temple's significance as a religious institution and insular site for worship in Nauvoo.adr wrote:Call him a hypocrite if you want (frankly, this isn't an argument I care to have), but it is documented fact that he publically spoke out against plural marriage.Kryten wrote: Given Smith himself married a 14-year-old girl, I somehow doubt that.
Slavoj Žižek is one of my favorite peeps, the guy is brilliant.Straha wrote:SURPRISE, you're still an atheist:
I'm familiar with the overview of what you just said, but (more aimed at Flagg and such than you) I don't particularly care beyond an academic fascination: for sake of argument, suppose Joseph Smith (or even Jesus Christ for that matter!) was an outright child rapist or whatever nasty stuff anyone wants to say. It doesn't change who I am, or what I believe to be right and wrong, nor the decency of the people I've come to know in the church.Straha wrote:If you're interested in this you should read Nauvoo Polygamy by George Smith, which is the only real in-depth study on the time period from what I remember. Very meticulously sourced and well-done.
No one was posting there so I gave up. Kinda wishing I hadn't.Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Flagg, why did you give up on your post-testingstan site? I bet people are ready to jump ship now more than ever.
Don't forget how Smith himself was a martyr despite firing into a crowd who subsequently beat him to death for randomly shooting at them. Because Jesus was all about the random murder.Straha wrote:While he was marrying people left right and sideways, including his friends' wives, receiving revelation that his first wife could sleep around, and telling people in no uncertain terms that the only way to receive exaltation was through Plural Marriage. Indeed, all references to 'Celestial Marriage' until the Twentieth Century were explicitly, and only, about the covenant of Plural Marriage. The secrecy he used at the time can also be tied pretty explicitly to his growing interest in Masonry and the rise of the Temple's significance as a religious institution and insular site for worship in Nauvoo.adr wrote:Call him a hypocrite if you want (frankly, this isn't an argument I care to have), but it is documented fact that he publically spoke out against plural marriage.Kryten wrote: Given Smith himself married a 14-year-old girl, I somehow doubt that.
If you're interested in this you should read Nauvoo Polygamy by George Smith, which is the only real in-depth study on the time period from what I remember. Very meticulously sourced and well-done.
Yeah, but it's kaput, I had XON delete it lol.Dude wrote:Liberal Hate Machine right?
He saved it. I'm gonna give it a second chance.Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Better remove that bookmark then...
I do despise me some liberals. Maybe I'll join.Flagg wrote:He saved it. I'm gonna give it a second chance.Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Better remove that bookmark then...
I didn't actually delete it, but managed to blackhole traffic to it by mistake (lol complex routing & networking). Only just fixed the mistake a few days ago.Flagg wrote:Yeah, but it's kaput, I had XON delete it lol.Dude wrote:Liberal Hate Machine right?
Well it's much appreciated.xon wrote:I didn't actually delete it, but managed to blackhole traffic to it by mistake (lol complex routing & networking). Only just fixed the mistake a few days ago.Flagg wrote:Yeah, but it's kaput, I had XON delete it lol.Dude wrote:Liberal Hate Machine right?