The Return of Testing Chat Thread

[Dooey Jo]

is that a middle aged woman?!

[adr]

these pretzels are making me thirsty

[Aaron]

Yummy, a severed head.

[Darksi4190]

Well SW sucks by and large.

Stick with the Comics. The comics are usually pretty cool. Except Legacy. Don't read that.

I recommend Knight Errant

[Losonti Tokash]

did someone just recommend star wars comics up in this bitch

[RogueIce]

did someone just recommend star wars comics up in this bitch

Well he doesn't like My Little Pony so clearly his tastes are suspect...

[Bakustra]

Responding here:

I think it's interesting to see how young a kneejerk defense of privilege can be inculcated. Jub has no direct interaction with the sheer amount of privilege he has, the sheer fantastic amount of work he doesn't have to do as a white (presumably) person in Canada, and certainly no way to contextualize this privilege but the second it's even question he kneejerks foaming at the mouth to defend it. I'd be tempted to say it's learned behaviour inherited from parents but I myself am rabidly anti-psychoanalytic and I think the phenomenon of teenagers gravitating towards the works of Ayn Rand despite the paucity of adult Randians seems to indicate that there's a secondary level at play here. Perhaps a realization of the intense dependence that teenagers have on others for their very existence and a selfish reaction against anyone else deserving the same sort of treatment, especially on a systemic scale? Again, this seems too first level, and overly selfish. Indeed, one would think that it'd be in the benefit of people like Jub to defend such handouts so as to defend his existence by association (one is reminded of 'the 47 percent' here)? But again, that doesn't appear to be the case.

I'm also interested in the historical blindness at play. The way that Jub immediately equates the legitimacy of the first nations to his own on Canadian soil, while not recognizing that his legitimacy is dependent not only on the treaties with the first nations, but on the coerced consent (hurhurhur) of the first nations. What, culturally, builds up this sense of entitlement and disrespect even in people so young that they haven't been able to fully appreciate their own privilege? I'm genuinely curious here. Thoughts?

First of all, my guess is that there are two factors influencing this. First, some lay psychology- a great deal of teenage rebellion is fostered by the conflict between the desire to live on one's own, the necessity of familial support, and the fear of responsibility. Thus, resentment of people who "should" be independent but aren't is a potential outcome- these people aren't growing up!!! They represent both a fantasy of irresponsibility and a fear of the consequences of it. Secondly, some more lay psychology mixed with lay sociology- a great many immigrants with assimilationist goals seem to work extremely hard in order to "prove" themselves real citizens/worthy of residence, and so often resent any minorities that don't do the same thing- because after all, surely anybody else could do what they are doing and succeed! At least, that's what I'm guessing.

did someone just recommend star wars comics up in this bitch

yes

if we're talking comix recommendations, i would have to suggest persepolis as something that's really good

[Bakustra]

oh phant re the old thread: i think it should be unstickied

and then you can bump to NT if you wanna keep it or just let it die here

but having a locked thread sticky to the top sux i say

Done, though it took me a while to figure out how to sticky and unsticky.

[Straha]

First of all, my guess is that there are two factors influencing this. First, some lay psychology- a great deal of teenage rebellion is fostered by the conflict between the desire to live on one's own, the necessity of familial support, and the fear of responsibility. Thus, resentment of people who "should" be independent but aren't is a potential outcome- these people aren't growing up!!! They represent both a fantasy of irresponsibility and a fear of the consequences of it. Secondly, some more lay psychology mixed with lay sociology- a great many immigrants with assimilationist goals seem to work extremely hard in order to "prove" themselves real citizens/worthy of residence, and so often resent any minorities that don't do the same thing- because after all, surely anybody else could do what they are doing and succeed! At least, that's what I'm guessing.

I feel you on point one, and I'm not sure where I stand. While that post over there is half-trollbait I really am interested in this question and I'm not convinced to stand in anyway on it so far.
On point two, is Jub the progeny of immigrants? Regardless, I think you're right but what I'm trying to explore is the creation of the "fit-in or else you're not one of us" mentality with younger people. Surely they are, if anyone, the ones who would understand the concept that life isn't an equal starting ground for everyone, that you need help to be able to establish yourself, and sometimes people are dealt a really rough hand and that's probably not a good thing. I guess what I'm sort of stabbing at here (hacking and slashing blindly, more like) is how is this message inculcated in youths who aren't influenced by their parents and whose material interests would run contrary to this ideology? They exist, I know they exist, I'm curious as to how privilege transmits itself to them and how it withstands scrutiny.

[Aaron]

I'm going with white teenaged male, rural location. There's a lot of scorn here for the First Nations here and outright disgust for nonwhites.

[The Spartan]

Regarding my last comment on Star Wars. That only applies to (mostly) to stuff that isn't directly in the movies.

I love the OT. In fact, when I was in Germany and had some down time I managed to watch all three. Not on the same day, mind you, but over the course of the whole vacation I managed to fit them in.

[Bakustra]

First of all, my guess is that there are two factors influencing this. First, some lay psychology- a great deal of teenage rebellion is fostered by the conflict between the desire to live on one's own, the necessity of familial support, and the fear of responsibility. Thus, resentment of people who "should" be independent but aren't is a potential outcome- these people aren't growing up!!! They represent both a fantasy of irresponsibility and a fear of the consequences of it. Secondly, some more lay psychology mixed with lay sociology- a great many immigrants with assimilationist goals seem to work extremely hard in order to "prove" themselves real citizens/worthy of residence, and so often resent any minorities that don't do the same thing- because after all, surely anybody else could do what they are doing and succeed! At least, that's what I'm guessing.

I feel you on point one, and I'm not sure where I stand. While that post over there is half-trollbait I really am interested in this question and I'm not convinced to stand in anyway on it so far.
On point two, is Jub the progeny of immigrants? Regardless, I think you're right but what I'm trying to explore is the creation of the "fit-in or else you're not one of us" mentality with younger people. Surely they are, if anyone, the ones who would understand the concept that life isn't an equal starting ground for everyone, that you need help to be able to establish yourself, and sometimes people are dealt a really rough hand and that's probably not a good thing. I guess what I'm sort of stabbing at here (hacking and slashing blindly, more like) is how is this message inculcated in youths who aren't influenced by their parents and whose material interests would run contrary to this ideology? They exist, I know they exist, I'm curious as to how privilege transmits itself to them and how it withstands scrutiny.

He said his family came over about WWII, so he may be fourth generation depending on just how old they were. I'm not sure how many people who are conscious of their material interests running contrary to bootstraps ideology have children who develop it, but I would suspect that most people acquire privilege unconsciously and thus it normalizes before they become aware of it, giving them a reason to defend it merely from fear of change and love of the status quo. I may well be wrong.

[Straha]

Oh my, Alyrium versus Jub. Batton down the hatches and prepare for a whiney shitstorm!

[Flagg]

I almost feel bad for Jub now. Whoever wins, we lose!

[adr]

i just made biscuits but they tasted pretty bad

turns out i mindlessly grabbed baking soda when i meant to get baking powder

[Straha]

Are you kidding? The mudfest between Jub and Aly is hilarious. It's raw data on Jub's kneejerk defense of privilege and Aly's surface level essentialization and white guilt with a mix of grade A bullshit EvoPsych! It's win-win-win!

[Phantasee]

oh phant re the old thread: i think it should be unstickied

and then you can bump to NT if you wanna keep it or just let it die here

but having a locked thread sticky to the top sux i say

Done, though it took me a while to figure out how to sticky and unsticky.

can you sticky this

i can't see the sticky button

[Zod]

oh phant re the old thread: i think it should be unstickied

and then you can bump to NT if you wanna keep it or just let it die here

but having a locked thread sticky to the top sux i say

Done, though it took me a while to figure out how to sticky and unsticky.

can you sticky this

i can't see the sticky button

there is no sticky button

[Straha]

I'll sticky your button, if you get my drift.

[Zod]

i'd better get dinner and a movie out of it at least

i've got some standards you know

[Darksi4190]

did someone just recommend star wars comics up in this bitch

Man SW comics are totally awesome I don't know what you're talking about.

[Bakustra]

Are you kidding? The mudfest between Jub and Aly is hilarious. It's raw data on Jub's kneejerk defense of privilege and Aly's surface level essentialization and white guilt with a mix of grade A bullshit EvoPsych! It's win-win-win!

Civilizations rise and fall, sometimes by the sword other times by internal collapse. Do we weep for what could have been if Rome hadn't taken Gaul? Or for what could have been in Britain if they never warred with the French? Should we find the descendants of Genghis Khan and make them pay for what their ancestors did? And what of the church paying reparations for the religions they stomped out? Why are the Amerinds more important than those other cultures that have suffered the same fate at the point of a sword?

c'mon guys, the wounded knee massacre really was just like vercingetorix at alesia

i can't pick out any one thing by alyrium because he hasn't got going yet

can you sticky this

i can't see the sticky button

it's at the bottom of the options section when posting a new thread or editing an initial post, or it's in the dropdown mod tools menu, for future reference

anyways, my film studies book referenced urotsukidoji in the notes on animation as "erotic-mythical".

uh

[Straha]

i'd better get dinner and a movie out of it at least

i've got some standards you know

Come back to Rochester and we'll see what gets going on.

[Zod]

i'd better get dinner and a movie out of it at least

i've got some standards you know

Come back to Rochester and we'll see what gets going on.

Nah, I think I'm just fine in New York.

[Losonti Tokash]

alyriu's unintentional offensiveness is pretty funny especially the inexplicable term "amerind" but at least he's trying :V