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Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:02 pm
by uraniun235
As for why they haven't done a Trek animated series, I'm not entirely sure. I suspect that they're deathly afraid of being labeled a kids' show; Star Trek has had a huge stick up its ass about itself for a very long time.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:19 pm
by Crazedwraith
I thought there was one in the works? Post apocalyptic war scenario? Security officer uniforms that looked like they incorporated klingon armour?

Think it died well before the 2009 film though.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:20 pm
by Veef
Well animation in America is automatically a kids show no matter what

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:20 pm
by Crazedwraith
doesn't america make family guy and robot chicken and shit?

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:21 pm
by uraniun235
Crazedwraith wrote:I thought there was one in the works? Post apocalyptic war scenario? Security officer uniforms that looked like they incorporated klingon armour?

Think it died well before the 2009 film though.
Yeah it was some goofy post-apocalyptic thing where shit got extreme or something.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:21 pm
by Flagg
Crazedwraith wrote:does america make family guy and robot chicken and shit?
Yeap.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:22 pm
by uraniun235
Crazedwraith wrote:does america make family guy and robot chicken and shit?
shows for children. manchildren. about fart boners and 80s references.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:23 pm
by Veef
Crazedwraith wrote:doesn't america make family guy and robot chicken and shit?
well there's two extremes. Either Simpsons level comedy or kids shit.

No one cared about how much work went into Symbiotic Titan because it's a cartoon

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:24 pm
by uraniun235
reminder that first season Simpsons was literally considered dangerously subversive when it first came out

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:26 pm
by uraniun235
you ask anyone of my generation, they can tell you about their friend(s) whose parents absolutely forbade them from watching The Simpsons. sometimes going so far as to freak out when they heard ads for it on the TV when they were in another room.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:29 pm
by Zod
uraniun235 wrote:you ask anyone of my generation, they can tell you about their friend(s) whose parents absolutely forbade them from watching The Simpsons. sometimes going so far as to freak out when they heard ads for it on the TV when they were in another room.
yeah . . . my family was one of those

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:34 pm
by Stofsk
holy shit

that just... boggles my mind

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:35 pm
by Crazedwraith
uraniun235 wrote:you ask anyone of my generation, they can tell you about their friend(s) whose parents absolutely forbade them from watching The Simpsons. sometimes going so far as to freak out when they heard ads for it on the TV when they were in another room.
what? What? What?!

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:35 pm
by Veef
parents are paranoid about cartoons that aren't WB or Disney oh noes

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:39 pm
by uraniun235
I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. One of my friends and one of my cousins was just a "yeah, we don't let him watch The Simpsons", but another one of my friends was exactly as I described. I remember being at his house watching TV, an ad for The Simpsons came on, and immediately his mom started yelling across the house. Nice lady in general but convinced that the show was totally inappropriate for children.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:03 pm
by Aaron
It was common when it started, we weren't aloud to watch it. My kids can but I hate Marge and Lisa so they usually don't.

Spongebob is better anyways.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:09 pm
by Civil War Man
Crazedwraith wrote:doesn't america make family guy and robot chicken and shit?
We do, however, as uraniun pointed out with the Simpsons, you still get self-appointed moral guardians raging against those cartoon because they are not appropriate for children.

The major assumption they make is that any show that is a cartoon must be targeted towards children, and that only children would watch a cartoon, so a cartoon with immature themes must have been designed specifically to corrupt children because adults do not watch anything that's animated.

The attitude is not as prevalent as it is today, but you still see it from time to time, and not only from the moral guardians. Animated films can win Oscars, but you will never see one go to a voice actor because voice acting is not considered to be "real" acting, regardless of how skilled the voice actor is.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:12 pm
by Aaron
I think a lot of that was/is subconcious though.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:23 pm
by Civil War Man
Possibly subconscious, but also a bit of inertia. In the US, animated stuff is still predominantly targeted towards children, though a lot will primarily market to children, but include in-jokes for older watchers (like Pixar movies and the WB cartoons from the 90s like Animaniacs).

Cartoons marketed solely towards adults are still relatively rare outside Matt Groenig, Seth MacFarlane, and Adult Swim shows.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:17 pm
by Gands
Stofsk wrote:holy shit

that just... boggles my mind
I had friends who were banned from watching The Simpsons, and playing Doom.

I was fucking baffled.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:56 am
by Phantasee
I think my parents tried to ban the Simpsons for a while on the advice of some other parents but they were pretty relaxed about most things and didn't really supervise our television watching. Of course we had cable on and off (mostly off) through most of the 90s so it's not like I got to watch a lot of tv anyway.

I'm still the guy who doesn't get 90% of Friends, Simpsons, and Seinfeld references. :?

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:42 am
by Darth Tedious
Phantasee wrote:I'm still the guy who doesn't get 90% of Friends, Simpsons, and Seinfeld references. :?
It's okay, Phant. At least 40% of all Simpsons jokes are references to earlier comedies anyway.

Wait, that's not okay. You should at least get those ones.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:11 am
by Zod
D_T wrote:
Phantasee wrote:I'm still the guy who doesn't get 90% of Friends, Simpsons, and Seinfeld references. :?
It's okay, Phant. At least 40% of all Simpsons jokes are references to earlier comedies anyway.

Wait, that's not okay. You should at least get those ones.
And the Simpson's stopped being worth watching after season 9 or 10 anyway.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:14 pm
by Dooey Jo
when was the simpsons ever worth watching :smug:

But yeah, I remember it being considered a very naughty show that was shown on the newly launched satellite channel, that only the coolest of kids had.

Re: Trek Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:35 pm
by Veef
i'm gonna watch wrath of khan

it's been a while since i've seen it