Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:32 am
i am assured of this
oh fuck it i can't get it to work right through all the layers of shit in here
i need to get back to real work
and turn off my heater
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Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:33 am
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:33 am
You know I be loving with this
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:41 am
what's going on here guys
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:44 am
you missed it bro
it was a crazy ride
it was a crazy ride
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:46 am
insufficient documentation
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:54 am
sorry droog i was workin
i am not trying to be mean to the utmost
i am not trying to be mean to the utmost
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:55 pm
Thanas wrote:Or they would be under no pressure to work at all, therefore making sure that a class of proles exists solely by leeching off others.
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:45 pm
Isn't that what the rich do right now?
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:00 pm
class warfareAaron wrote:Isn't that what the rich do right now?
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:21 pm
Umm What? Someone needs to get Surly to an economics course that isn't full of neoclassical crap, he's losing it.Surlethe wrote:I am not sure what "workers' rights" are, and therefore am not sure that I believe they should exist.
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:30 pm
Another old boy joins the nutter brigade. Excellent.
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:46 pm
Let me know if I miss anything, but here's what I believe workers' rights to be:
1) a living wage
2) a safe work environment
3) freedom from discrimination based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, political beliefs, etc
4) the freedom to organize and collectively bargain to protect themselves and their fellow workers from the predations of corporations
but shit can't let those damned poors monopolize labor
1) a living wage
2) a safe work environment
3) freedom from discrimination based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, political beliefs, etc
4) the freedom to organize and collectively bargain to protect themselves and their fellow workers from the predations of corporations
but shit can't let those damned poors monopolize labor
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:54 pm
why all these stupid altruistic urges?
Also what fucking retard would honestly fellate Shep's ego and say they'd vote him for president?
Also what fucking retard would honestly fellate Shep's ego and say they'd vote him for president?
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:56 pm
unions are just capitalism at work
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:12 pm
no guise we have laws and governments now
those things never go away and are not constantly lobbied at by employers' organisations to erode workers' rights
so if we outlaw unions
what could possibly go wrong
and starglider of course has to chime in with a bit of truth
unions would be okay if it were required for them to wear big bird suits
oh sorry, that's racist
i meant to say fuck you, between-union competition can only weaken them in the struggle against employers
but of course you know that because that's the whole point
fuck a stork
those things never go away and are not constantly lobbied at by employers' organisations to erode workers' rights
so if we outlaw unions
what could possibly go wrong
and starglider of course has to chime in with a bit of truth
unions would be okay if it were required for them to wear big bird suits
oh sorry, that's racist
i meant to say fuck you, between-union competition can only weaken them in the struggle against employers
but of course you know that because that's the whole point
fuck a stork
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:17 pm
Remember guys, they're the Smartest Board on the Internet.
Though we're in the middle of a gigantic world economic crisis caused by the bollockry of corporations screwing around with the world at large. Even SDN-dwelling morons ought to be able to figure out why putting worker's rights in the hands of lobbyist-controlled governments without any representation from the unions is a bad thing, given the current situation.
Though we're in the middle of a gigantic world economic crisis caused by the bollockry of corporations screwing around with the world at large. Even SDN-dwelling morons ought to be able to figure out why putting worker's rights in the hands of lobbyist-controlled governments without any representation from the unions is a bad thing, given the current situation.
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:21 pm
No firing without cause?Losonti Tokash wrote:Let me know if I miss anything, but here's what I believe workers' rights to be:
1) a living wage
2) a safe work environment
3) freedom from discrimination based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, political beliefs, etc
4) the freedom to organize and collectively bargain to protect themselves and their fellow workers from the predations of corporations
but shit can't let those damned poors monopolize labor
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:25 pm
I think adequate provisions in case of long-term sickness and other such ought to be on there.
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:30 pm
Good idea, Aaron.
Sandman, could you define what you mean?
Sandman, could you define what you mean?
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:09 pm
In case of severe and long-term forms of illness and or injury, you shouldn't necessarily lose your job due to the month or so you might wind up having to take off, as long as you can theoretically go back to it at the end. Parental leave ought to qualify as a subset of something like this. As an addition to that, there should be provisions for disabled and disadvantaged workers, such as ergonomic keyboards, easy wheelchair access, etc. - though I suppose that might be covered under safe working environment.Losonti Tokash wrote:Good idea, Aaron.
Sandman, could you define what you mean?
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:22 pm
I would also consider that to part of the freedom from discrimination, but yeah.
So we've got the first 4, plus
5) No firing without cause
6) Parental or medical leave, with the guarantee of their old position or one of similar pay/rank upon their return
So we've got the first 4, plus
5) No firing without cause
6) Parental or medical leave, with the guarantee of their old position or one of similar pay/rank upon their return
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:32 pm
gawd why just give them free money for nothing like during christmas or something
such altruism will ruin this country
such altruism will ruin this country
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:47 pm
I think you can fold 5 and 6 into a general 'job security' clause (like, "The right to continue working until justified dismissal, after timely notification and with due compensation").Losonti Tokash wrote:I would also consider that to part of the freedom from discrimination, but yeah.
So we've got the first 4, plus
5) No firing without cause
6) Parental or medical leave, with the guarantee of their old position or one of similar pay/rank upon their return
incidentally welcome to europe ca 1850-1950, we may have some experience with this problem
Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:02 pm
The issue with that phrasing is that I can see someone go "well of course she still had the right to continue working after she got pregnant, she just not to so she could take care of her kid."