New Testingstan

that's where you make sure 'justified dismissal' gets sewed up tighter than a scotsman's wallet

Industry specific issues requiring dialog between employers and workers???

BAN UNIONS SO USELESS

The best part is that beyond the egregiously bad unions, even huge money grubbing corps are happy to work with unions because it's a productive relationship with benefits to all

But don't tell anyone

you can have overblown public sector unions enshrining lazy drug addicts in do-nothing jobs

LOLOLOL

adr wrote:you can have overblown public sector unions enshrining lazy drug addicts in do-nothing jobs

LOLOLOL

Well there is aerius.

man my sister is a nurse right

so she's forced into the 'union' because of 'licencing' and shit because nursing is still treated like its nuns in 1921

and her union is constantly sending her shit like 'we traded away 2 hours of your annual leave and your ability to pay rent before tax for A BITCHIN GYM PASS BRO' stuff

i have no idea what the mechanism for review inside the union is, but she tells me pretty much nobody cares about or wants all that agitation that goes on just to justify the union's existence

move licencing to professional body like doctors and lawyers = union not needed = dozens of fat old people no longer getting assloads of money lol

well that's fucking weird

shut up and fight

It is... Inevitable.

sorry dude union traded away our wages for a gift certificate to omaha steaks so gotta get my food

look dood i don't work for weeks now

and what is this

NOBODY ON XBAWX

what a fucking rort

Yeah, Unions can get pretty bad if it's to the point of shit like where aerius works (assuming you believe his stories) or like what I heard about UPS: you can pretty much not show up for however long as you want for no reason, and as long as it's consecutive it'll only count as a "single incident" so good luck getting fired (but at least you don't get paid for the time not working, so there's that at least).

On the other hand you have places like Wal-Mart or other such where everybody is working "part-time" even if your hours would still technically count as "full-time" but they mess with it or whatever to keep you PT so they never have to pay you decent benefits. I'm pretty sure they'd like a union to change that.

But of course, complex societal issues not having simple solutions? whoknew amirite lol?

RogueIce wrote: On the other hand you have places like Wal-Mart or other such where everybody is working "part-time" even if your hours would still technically count as "full-time" but they mess with it or whatever to keep you PT so they never have to pay you decent benefits. I'm pretty sure they'd like a union to change that.

That's pretty much every single major retail chain in the US.

RogueIce wrote:On the other hand you have places like Wal-Mart or other such where everybody is working "part-time" even if your hours would still technically count as "full-time" but they mess with it or whatever to keep you PT so they never have to pay you decent benefits. I'm pretty sure they'd like a union to change that.

This is off topic, but a past friend pulled the "you're to blame for not having health insurance (no job) and incurring that $26k medical debt" on me. The very fact that he didn't think of what you posted disgusted me. They purposefully withhold hours so they don't have to pay for shit. Case in point: my brother is working his ass off at a retail store, even working two shifts on Black Friday. He was up for a salary position and they magically said "We don't want to fill it," crushing his hope of earning more money. Cunts.

See even part time stuff here has benefits.

Anyone who sees the current position of the world and still has an opposition to socialising certain things is a fucking moron, at this point.

Sandman wrote:Anyone who sees the current position of the world and still has an opposition to socialising certain things is a fucking moron, at this point.

My favorite mantra against socialized medicine is "I shouldn't have to pay for your health care." It's a two-way street! Everyone is contributing to mine and yours.

Knubfuck wrote:

Sandman wrote:Anyone who sees the current position of the world and still has an opposition to socialising certain things is a fucking moron, at this point.

My favorite mantra against socialized medicine is "I shouldn't have to pay for your health care." It's a two-way street! Everyone is contributing to mine and yours.

Which is how capitalist 'society' works, really, and why it endures on; everyone in a capitalist system is raised on the mantra of 'mine' and an ideal that puts an individual before the community as a whole. Now, yes, I agree with individual rights quite strongly, but when your entire society is founded upon greed, you don't get much of a society or a community at all. What you get is a bunch of greedy fucks.

And those greedy fucks are too unwilling to change the system because it benefits them. Right up until they are diagnosed by their insurance company as having a pre-existing condition. Because nobody ever thinks it's going to happen to them.

Aaron wrote:See even part time stuff here has benefits.

Well, if you go with the "in theory" of part time (or at least, the way I always saw it and I figure others did as well) it's not so bad when PT doesn't offer benefits.

The "in theory" being the good ol' after-school/summer job thing for the teenagers. Who likely don't need things like medical or dental because (supposedly) their parents are covered and so are they as dependents. Same with stuff like retirement or paid vacation and all that.

Of course the "in theory" breaks down when the companies decide to save money by hiring most (if not all) of their employees under a PT model.

That said, there are "part time with benefits" job that do exist, even in the US. This article lists ten of them, for example. That said, I'm going to guess (and I stress guess as I have not done any comprehensive research on the subject) that PT benefits tend to be less than those offered FT. Take Lowe's for example: they offer a Limited Benefit Health Plan for PT, as opposed to the Comprehensive Health Insurance for FT. But the website doesn't really say what the differences are, so I don't know if it's higher co-pay, less coverage, more expensive premiums or something else. That's just one example and Lowe's is at number six on that list, so those top five above them may have better options for PTers, I don't know.

But it does exist. Whether or not those benefits are still useful for anybody's situation is, of course, going to be rather variable. And, naturally, there still exists the general problem - benefits or no benefits - that PT tends to pay quite a bit less than FT, and if PT jobs are all that's available or being offered, well...

Part time jobs generally have at least some form of minor benefit in the UK as far as I know, though they're not usually as necessary because we have a government welfare system that renders it almost entirely unneeded. Or at least we ought to have, but Mr. David Cameron and his cronies seem to want to screw the system over as much as they possibly can.

the biggest problem with part time jobs in the US is one sick day is all it takes to get you fired

especially if your employer is a faceless corporation that doesn't care about its employees

Zod wrote:the biggest problem with part time jobs in the US is one sick day is all it takes to get you fired

especially if your employer is a faceless corporation that doesn't care about its employees

That's genuinely illegal over here. You can't fire someone over a sick day, at least as long as they ring in to say 'I won't be able to come in because I'm physically ill'. I think it might have been an EU regulation, one of the types that the newspapers like to complain about.

I remember my sister was actually prohibited from coming into work when ill because she worked in a kitchen, and thus it was a violation of health and safety. Another EU regulation, I think.

Sandman wrote:

Zod wrote:the biggest problem with part time jobs in the US is one sick day is all it takes to get you fired

especially if your employer is a faceless corporation that doesn't care about its employees

That's genuinely illegal over here. You can't fire someone over a sick day, at least as long as they ring in to say 'I won't be able to come in because I'm physically ill'. I think it might have been an EU regulation, one of the types that the newspapers like to complain about.

I remember my sister was actually prohibited from coming into work when ill because she worked in a kitchen, and thus it was a violation of health and safety. Another EU regulation, I think.

unfortunately it's all too common here

the worst part is they won't consider it a legitimate illness unless they have a doctor's note to back it up

like a part time worker is supposed to be able to afford a doctor's visit when the company they work for won't pay any benefits

Yes, but the invisible hand of the free market will...

Proceed to continue flipping off the little guy.

Knubfuck wrote:My favorite mantra against socialized medicine is "I shouldn't have to pay for your health care." It's a two-way street! Everyone is contributing to mine and yours.

Part of the problem is those that have never had insurance that could easily fuck them over. My insurance is through work and they have to cover even pre-existing conditions. There are catches as I recall, but they're not the kind that would be immediately a concern even if I got sick. Even if they were most people who have that sort of insurance don't run into them and don't think of it as much of a problem. If something like that happens to someone it's "an exception".

Zod wrote:the biggest problem with part time jobs in the US is one sick day is all it takes to get you fired

especially if your employer is a faceless corporation that doesn't care about its employees

Were the hell have you guys been working? Even before I worked as an engineer and was actually in part time work I've never encountered something like that.

The Spartan wrote:

Knubfuck wrote:My favorite mantra against socialized medicine is "I shouldn't have to pay for your health care." It's a two-way street! Everyone is contributing to mine and yours.

Part of the problem is those that have never had insurance that could easily fuck them over. My insurance is through work and they have to cover even pre-existing conditions. There are catches as I recall, but they're not the kind that would be immediately a concern even if I got sick. Even if they were most people who have that sort of insurance don't run into them and don't think of it as much of a problem. If something like that happens to someone it's "an exception".

Zod wrote:the biggest problem with part time jobs in the US is one sick day is all it takes to get you fired

especially if your employer is a faceless corporation that doesn't care about its employees

Were the hell have you guys been working? Even before I worked as an engineer and was actually in part time work I've never encountered something like that.

the retail sector

thankfully i don't work in retail anymore but when i did it was pretty shit