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tim why wasn't i warned the raider was open bolt

Got TNG Season 4. I got Season 3 a while back, so I had to get Season 4. However else would I know if Picard escaped the Dastardly clutches of the borg!

So you know what that means! I blather on about the episodes I'm watching.

Best Of Both Worlds Part II.
Ok. Everyone knows about this one. I'd just forgotten that after there's quite a delay between the borg going to sleep and their ship blowing up. (why the Queen is not frantically getting them to all wake up again is anyone's guess thanks FC) And Riker actually makes the decision not to halt the energy build up and lead them explode. Yay, evolved sensibilities.

It also occurs to me that Shelby in the New Frontier doesn't really resemble her personality in BoBW at all. It's sad PAD just used a lot of TNG character's names but not much else.

Family.
Picard's brother is an ass. And Picard feels guilty about the borg. Good stuff. Such a pity Riker's been reset without comment.

Brothers.
Wasted opportunity. Far much time spend with Data taking over the ship and far too little stuff of the interaction between him and his creator and Lore. Though can't have been easy having Spiner play a triple role for the episode.

Suddenly Human.
Picard rattles his saber over a human boy raised by aliens. Gives in when the boy stabs him. Its a decent enough episode. Though I wonder what the reaction of the boy's Admiral mother was when Picard handed him back over.

CrazedWraith wrote:Brothers.
Wasted opportunity. Far much time spend with Data taking over the ship and far too little stuff of the interaction between him and his creator and Lore. Though can't have been easy having Spiner play a triple role for the episode.

But the whole 'Data hijacks the ship' bit was SOOOO COOL AND IT GAVE THE DATA WANKERS BONERS FOR WEEKS.

Yeah, there really wasn't that much time spent between father and sons. On its own, it could have been a much better episode, though it did play well in Data's overall character arc, IMO.

Yeah, the "Data can lock us out totally!" thing was pretty dumb. A better way to do it would have been to write it so that everything Picard did to respond to the problem worked; just that Data was always a step ahead of the crew, so that by the time they finally catch up he's already on the planet and the transporter just auto-erased its destination history. It pooches the dumb "oh no a kid is sick and we have a countdown" B-plot, but that should have been shitcanned anyway.

Reached The Wounded. With Benjamin Maxwell HERO OF THE FEDERATION.

Remembering big arguments about him from TEO. It's clear he's a bit bonkers. Picard asks him why he hasn't informed starfellet and hse says the bureaucrats wouldn't do anything about it if they did. Only the real men, the Captain on the frontier could be trusted. So Picard asks if he can see the evidence and Maxwell just goes on a huge rant about the Cardassians. The only evidence he's got is circumstantial; the cardiassian's research outposts are in strategic spots and they have a lot of supply ships with sensor blocking fields on them.

Any way I though the silliest part of the episode was not Picard letting the cardassians off scot free. (thereby not starting a war right there and then) It was Picard letting Maxwell going back to his ship and just asking him for scout's Starfleet Honour not to go and kill some more cardies.

Still its backstory for O'Brien! Every one loves lieutenant Chief O'Brien

It might be silly, but I think it's understandable loyalty stuffs.

They are a big, happy fleet!

I can also see it being a prestige/PR thing for Starfleet. Remember how in TOS they were going to let Kirk slide into a desk job for committing negligent homicide/murder against Finney because they didn't want a black mark on their elite clique of starship captains? I could see Picard basically thinking "seriously, don't make me relieve a captain of his command, this never happens and would be enormously embarrassing for us."

picard's also a giant softie too

i don't like it when people bring up the mirror universe all the time cuz i think it's lame

Look, if you don't treat an episode clearly written so the actors wouldn't have to play the same character all the time 100% seriously, then your a horrible person and no trek fan.

yeah i dunno

i was never big on that episode

i don't like how the concept bled into every other nerd thing because nerds are lazy

As a one off it was fine but it just became a joke with DS9.

I prefer the Tribble one

The concept actually predates Trek by a number of years. I think DC Comics did it earlier with their antimatter universe, with Ultraman and Owlman and the like.

Sandman wrote:The concept actually predates Trek by a number of years. I think DC Comics did it earlier with their antimatter universe, with Ultraman and Owlman and the like.

it literally became a joke in ds9

the actors (looked like) they had a lot of fun playing the evil parts

mirror mirror was one of the highlights of TOS season two

so naturally when DS9 came along they borked up the entire concept

i'm sure nerds will go 'but DS9 is the best trek show ever'

I think the first DS9 Mirror episode was a serious attempt at the concept. The rest probably happened because the writers and actors discovered over the top villany is really fun to do.

ds9 is one of the 4 best trek shows ever

Weren't DS9's mirror episode just 'i want to be writing star wars for a change' episodes? the PLUCKY TERRAN REBELLION has struck its first blow against the EVIL ALLIANCE.

And an excuse for the male writers to put up their fantasies of Kira/Kira and Kira/Dax.

adr wrote:ds9 is one of the 4 best trek shows ever

Crazedwraith wrote:Weren't DS9's mirror episode just 'i want to be writing star wars for a change' episodes? the PLUCKY TERRAN REBELLION has struck its first blow against the EVIL ALLIANCE.

tbh i actually liked that about those episodes

'Through the Looking Glass' and 'Shattered Mirror' were really cool in that way. Plus the latter also featured Jake in a more substantive role. I think it just lost me after that though. I can't remember what season seven's did (i prolly didn't watch it lol) but season six's had Vedek Barile come back as a scoundrel, and all I remember was that the episode was BOOOOOORRRRRRRRINNNNNNNGGG

Season 7 was a ferengi episode. Quark and Rom steal Martok's cloak to give it lesbian Ezri in the mirror universe. Because the mirror universe have no cloaks. Pay no attention to the decloaking Vor'cha's in 'Crossover' they no longer matter.

Crazedwraith wrote:Season 7 was a ferengi episode. Quark and Rom steal Martok's cloak to give it lesbian Ezri in the mirror universe. Because the mirror universe have no cloaks. Pay no attention to the decloaking Vor'cha's in 'Crossover' they no longer matter.

lolwhut

haha see this is what i'm talking about when i said that ds9 borked it up

at least the earlier episodes were entertaining

"In a Mirror, Darkly" parts 1 and 2 were the best two episodes Enterprise ever did.

Stofsk wrote:'Through the Looking Glass' and 'Shattered Mirror' were really cool in that way. Plus the latter also featured Jake in a more substantive role. I think it just lost me after that though. I can't remember what season seven's did (i prolly didn't watch it lol) but season six's had Vedek Barile come back as a scoundrel, and all I remember was that the episode was BOOOOOORRRRRRRRINNNNNNNGGG

oh man

when we watched that episode and barile teleportled in and everyone in the command room were all 'OMG IT'S HIM!' we were like 'uh...should we recognize that guy?'

that is how boring that character is

also right now that episode where the wormhole aliens are putting ben in an allegory set in the 40s is on and it's not fucking terrible! the aliens should have just always been doing shit like that instead of being all "lol what's time? :V "