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Knubble tov wrote:Where the hell did this idea come from that you have to respect the dead, especially if they were terrible human beings?

Religious shitbags probably.

probly the last holdover from that backwards idea that you should respect the living :V

im pretty sure most cultures have some veneration of the dead

maybe death is a big thing

Knubble tov wrote:Where the hell did this idea come from that you have to respect the dead, especially if they were terrible human beings?

Since Man is Man.

In Archeo-Anthropology, it is generally agreed (from what I understand of the stuff I've read) that we started being modern "Humans", and not some evolved apes, the moment we started tending to our dead and disposing of them not as sack of rotting flesh but following complex rituals involving burials, cremation, offerings...

It's a pretty interesting question though, why early humans did start to see their dead as something more than just piles of flesh. I would think it happened soon after humans started to see their fellow humans as, well, people.

But we also know elephants do freaky shit to their deceased fellow elephants so what implications does that have about elephants when we also know elephants never forget?

who knows lol

how does darth vader eat

through the force

well then how does he shit

through the dark side

I think burials are waste of time and money. When I die, I want my shit to be disposed of in the most cost-efficient way (they can take me out back and burn me, for all I care). I don't want to be buried so my loved ones can come visit me and weep and be sad. Accept my passing and move on with your life

But there's no moral obligation for me to give a shit about and respect scum.

i want my tombstone to read "fuck you this is all your fault"

someone told me the protoss eat through the force

that's bad

but how do they shit???

i was told by the star wars databank that darth vader eats through the force

i don't think they know what food is :s

i guess psychic business is pure and requires no shit

maybe the protoss ARE the shit and that's how they breed

Knubble tov wrote:Where the hell did this idea come from that you have to respect the dead, especially if they were terrible human beings?

Because the dead can't defend themselves from accusations.

When I die, I want my shit to be disposed of in the most cost-efficient way (they can take me out back and burn me, for all I care). I don't want to be buried so my loved ones can come visit me and weep and be sad.

Funeral rites aren't about the deceased, dipshit. They are an emotional outlet for the survivors and a way to give death a structured context which eases grieving.

thats not always true

thats the idea, but you can totally plan out a massively atavistic funeral arrangement that does nothing but make you feel better during life that you planned it

the new rich do this ALL THE TIME :V

Bounty wrote:Funeral rites aren't about the deceased, dipshit. They are an emotional outlet for the survivors and a way to give death a structured context which eases grieving.

And I want them to go through that, why exactly? I hated every minute of my grandfather''s "funeral rites." The incessant crying made me more sad than him dying. I don't want my family members through that with me: no visitation, no burial. There's no reason to spend thousands of dollars to grieve. Hell, when my parents die (I'm keeping fingers crossed that it happens soon with my stepfather), I won't be attending because I'd rather grieve on my own, in private.

Fucking money solves grief.

are you fucking I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP? did you read what he said?

Dude just ignore him, Knubs doesn't get people.

Aaron wrote:Dude just ignore him, Knubs doesn't get people.

I hear I'm anti-social. I hear it all the time.

Aaron wrote:Dude just ignore him, Knubs doesn't get people.

apparently he can't fucking read or understand the words contained in his first language either

this isn't some psychosocial misunderstanding stemming from complex causes

its just flat out 'knubs can't read for shit'

I read what he said, and I understand it. I know why such events take place. I just think, LIKE I MOTHERFUCKING POSTED, that it's a waste of time and money to go through such rituals when I feel that they make the pain of death even worse, from my numerous experiences. I relayed my most recent experience, where the plethora of crying made the event much worse for me because the pain others were feeling hurt me more than seeing my dead grandfather in his casket. It wasn't an outlet for my grief, which I dispensed with in a matter of minutes upon hearing that my grandfather died.

But I'm not like other people, and possibly emotionally crippled.

don't get shitty at me because you edited a bunch of content into your post after someone replied to it, buddy

this may astonish you

but your single AMAZINGLY SELFISH datapoint is more hilarious than meaningful

to destroy your infantile mind

are you ready for this? steel yourself

NOBODY LIKES FUNERALS YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

nothing you said is even relevant to bounty talking about a structured and cultural way of dealing with grief
try being less of a fuckwit
step one - realise not only is eveyrone else not like you, but virtually nobody is

Show me where I said people like funerals. No one likes them.

your reply to 'funerary arrangements are not for the dead person, they are a way for the survivors to deal with this and move on'

sorry i mean the stuff you edited in after someone replied

was WAH WAH I HAD A BAD TIME AT A FUNERAL ONCE

which not only is amazingly selfish, blinkered and shallow is fundamentally ignorant but suggests you think a process to deal with grief should be pleasant

that you can say 'oh yeah i got over the grief in a few minutes' shows that you count repression as a solution

and that the funeral made you feel this way instead of just bringing out those feelings you repressed in your own personal inability to deal with them means they are useless

is so utterly reverso-world that it boggled the mind

this has aboslutely nothing about whatever made-up reason you have for not 'understanding people' or whatever you say to yourself at night to feel better about your overweening arrogance not somehow making you a better person

you just have zero introspection and don't even understand yourself

i may shock you again

gird your loins here

when my grandfather died, i didn't even care because i was 10,000km away and hadn't seen him in a decade and was a teenager and fucking those hoes liek i touch my toes
when i was surrounded by my surviving family and in a cultural process of acknowledging his death, i realised the enormity of his death and the way it resonated through the lives of everyone who knew him and how this was a shared tragedy

but then at 14 i wasn't stupid enough to say i DEALT WITH THE GRIEF IN SECONDS BECAUSE I AM ELITE and THE BAD FUNERAL FORCED ME TO FEEL BAD BECAUSE OF ALL THE CRYING PEOPLE THOSE DAMN RUDE CRYING PEOPLE MAKING ME FEEL BAD WHEN I HAD ALREADY DEALT WITH THE GRIEF IN SECONDS BECAUSE I AM ELITE

in short if something creates a feeling in you

maybe it isn't that thing shooting emotion rays at you

maybe the feeling was inside you all along

I am a cynical cunt, so I'm going to say that the following is bullshit, which is exactly why I didnt agree with bounty:

"your reply to 'funerary arrangements are not for the dead person, they are a way for the survivors to deal with this and move on"

People go to eulogize the dead. Period. They are not thinking that this is an outlet for their grief.

perhaps some people deal with grief by eulogizing what they're grieving

Knubble tov wrote:I am a cynical cunt, so I'm going to say that the following is bullshit, which is exactly why I didnt agree with bounty:

"your reply to 'funerary arrangements are not for the dead person, they are a way for the survivors to deal with this and move on"

People go to eulogize the dead. Period. They are not thinking that this is an outlet for their grief.

yeah, they do think its an outlet for grief. its why wakes are tied to funerals. for some people, ritual allows them to cope, the ritual of a passing from one state to another, and all the finality that entails.


do you know what eulogize even means in this context?

That's why people giving eulogies look so happy, right?

Ps knobs good job completely ignoring four whole posts in order to just repeat your own butthurt experience driven by your specific family situation rather than yknow

Participating

Man my uncle talking about my dead grandma in front of all the people whose lives she touched - he loved that, it was really great for him!

To recap knobs hates his family, ergo all funerals are bad and is not because he has a basic inability to deal with his feelings AT

ALL