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Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:28 pm
by Zod
The problem as I see it, it gives them a lot more leeway to use a strip-search as an excessive punitive measure for any reason they feel like no matter what the person is suspected of.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:34 pm
by Dooey Jo
they need to inspect you


for rebels and contraband

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:47 pm
by adr-admin

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:51 pm
by Flagg
The problem isn't the strip searches it's what people are being booked into county for. But they aren't going to book you into a facility without strip searching you for basic security concerns. That's the bottom line.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:02 pm
by Zod
Flagg wrote:The problem isn't the strip searches it's what people are being booked into county for. But they aren't going to book you into a facility without strip searching you for basic security concerns. That's the bottom line.
What kind of safety threat would a strip search find that a regular pat-down couldn't find? How much danger could a non-violent suspect really pose?

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:06 pm
by Akhlut
If someone can't live comfortably and without debt making $500k a year, they're terrible at managing their own finances.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:07 pm
by Flagg
Umm, you can hid all sorts of things up your ass, including knives, drugs, hell, a small gun. And a non-violent suspect may be extorted to hide stuff, or may be a violent criminal who is just being booked for a non-violent offense. You can also hide things by tying a string abound your nutsack, all sorts of shit. These people are fucking ingenious when it comes to hiding things in and around their assholes.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:09 pm
by Akhlut
Zod wrote:
Flagg wrote:The problem isn't the strip searches it's what people are being booked into county for. But they aren't going to book you into a facility without strip searching you for basic security concerns. That's the bottom line.
What kind of safety threat would a strip search find that a regular pat-down couldn't find? How much danger could a non-violent suspect really pose?
It's purpose it to dehumanize and humiliate the people being booked. Going through a sensitive metal detector should be adequate enough to find most dangerous things and a drug-sniffing dog should get the rest of the contraband.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:09 pm
by Zod
But more than a few of the New York-based financial executives who would have their pay limited are men (and they are almost invariably men) whose identities are entwined with living a certain way in a certain neighborhood west of Third Avenue: a life of private schools, summer houses and charity galas that only a seven-figure income can stretch to cover.
Oh boo hoo. Cry me a freaking river.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:13 pm
by Akhlut
I like how these assholes can't live for a year on $500k, yet, given my lifestyle with a wife and kid for the past 3 years, I could live on $500k for 50 years (barring inflation).

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:14 pm
by adr-admin
well it isn't all individual shitheaddedness here

it is the bourgeois culture

if an indidivduasdl was frugal he'd be alienated from his "friends" and lose respect from his business contacts

it is a social thing that ties right back into the business

a big executive w/o big executive contacts aint a big executive for long

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:15 pm
by Oxymoron
Akhlut wrote:
If someone can't live comfortably and without debt making $500k a year, they're terrible at managing their own finances.
Funny that it is the same people who are tasked with managing the savings of millions of people and the finances of hundreds of thousands of businesses.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:18 pm
by Akhlut
Yeah, I'm still not feeling particularly sad for them. Going along with a particular culture isn't a good way to change it.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:19 pm
by Akhlut
Oxymoron wrote:
Akhlut wrote:
If someone can't live comfortably and without debt making $500k a year, they're terrible at managing their own finances.
Funny that it is the same people who are tasked with managing the savings of millions of people and the finances of hundreds of thousands of businesses.
And, somehow, our entire economy collapsed due to these chucklefucks? Color me surprised. :v

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:19 pm
by Zod
Fuck, give me $500k and I'd be able to retire comfortably.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:24 pm
by Oxymoron
Akhlut wrote:And, somehow, our entire economy collapsed due to these chucklefucks? Color me surprised. :v
[insert standard J / StarGlider apologism of the financial sector]

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:39 pm
by Zod
Flagg wrote:Umm, you can hid all sorts of things up your ass, including knives, drugs, hell, a small gun. And a non-violent suspect may be extorted to hide stuff, or may be a violent criminal who is just being booked for a non-violent offense. You can also hide things by tying a string abound your nutsack, all sorts of shit. These people are fucking ingenious when it comes to hiding things in and around their assholes.
First time non-violent offenders are going to be extorted into hiding stuff? Really?

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:01 pm
by Flagg
Zod wrote:
Flagg wrote:Umm, you can hid all sorts of things up your ass, including knives, drugs, hell, a small gun. And a non-violent suspect may be extorted to hide stuff, or may be a violent criminal who is just being booked for a non-violent offense. You can also hide things by tying a string abound your nutsack, all sorts of shit. These people are fucking ingenious when it comes to hiding things in and around their assholes.
First time non-violent offenders are going to be extorted into hiding stuff? Really?

It happens, dude. If you're a first timer in jail and some hulking dude comes up to you and tells you to get something through security for you what are you going to do?

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:11 pm
by Zod
That just means the prison guards are idiots and not concentrating the searches where they need to be concentrated.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:49 pm
by Oxymoron
Welcome to Jail, where things cease to be fair or make any reasonable kind of sense the moment you step-in.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:17 pm
by Aaron
Get some of those TSA body scanners.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:34 pm
by Oxymoron
Funny thing is that they don't even work in their intended role, as demonstrated on German TV [1]. They're just there to intimidate people and make them feel "safe", nothing else.


[1] : TL;DW : Demonstrated in prime TV how you can introduce roughly 1 pound (or was it a whole kilogram ?) of thermite into a plane, IIRC.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:59 pm
by Flagg
Aaron wrote:Get some of those TSA body scanners.
Those are only marginally good at detecting something carried on a person not in a person.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:01 pm
by Aaron
Damn, need the Total Recall one.

Re: Godammed SDN

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:05 pm
by Zod
Flagg wrote:
Aaron wrote:Get some of those TSA body scanners.
Those are only marginally good at detecting something carried on a person not in a person.
You could always just accept the fact that it's impossible to completely foolproof security and that some contraband will inevitably get through no matter how invasive you make your searches.