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Quiet you! I'm listening to the Captain America soundtrack. Don't ruin my patriotic buzz!

starku wrote:If America going to war stopped the holocaust
Did America not going to war earlier enable it

I'd say so.

I'd also argue that if America going to war stopped the holocaust, Russia going to war stopped the holocaust even more. The US may have contributed a lot by having production centers that the Axis couldn't attack, but it was the Soviets who did most of the legwork in bleeding the Nazi war machine dry.

But, of course, Russia only went to war with Germany because the Nazis invaded.

So Hitler is responsible for stopping the Holocaust

considering what you know about my opinion of america and my family's history with it, is saying i just don't want to hear bad stuff about "the good guys" really an accurate representation of what i'm saying

I don't think he's talking to you specifically.

Yeah it's just the experience people have reading actual history about their armed forces

And all the bad shit they've done and the dissonance with public perception or the shared myth

ANZAC DAY LOL

And man battle of France + America = lololol,l

"cheese eating surrendering monkey"

Yeah, don't mind how many French died during the Battle of France because they just wouldn't surrender, and how the Dunkerque Evacuation's success was only possible because of the sacrifice of French soldiers who held the line till the very end.



But I suppose America has the monopole of bravery, somehow ; or that it's so insecure about its own achievements that it has to belittle those of others to feel good about its owns, I guess ?

well

you guys eat snails sometimes

so that means you're inferior to us

cuz we eat nothing but hamburgers

America has the monopoly on not showing up until the war is over

This was their mistake in Vietnam

The war was actually still in doubt when they arrived!

Oxymoron wrote:or that it's so insecure about its own achievements that it has to belittle those of others to feel good about its owns, I guess ?

Well, the most devastating war in US history was a pretty small brush war by European or Asian standards. Make of that what you will.

Veef wrote:well

you guys eat snails sometimes

Well, that's because, you know

snails are just fucking delicious

Oxymoron wrote:

Veef wrote:well

you guys eat snails sometimes

Well, that's because, you know

snails are just fucking delicious

I <3 me some snails

The green is parsley and the liquid is melted butter. With garlic.

Snails smails hobbits argh

starku wrote:hobbits

I know I'm a bit hairy but srsly, please...

Yo Adam the board clock is off again by several minutes.

Aaron wrote:I don't think he's talking to you specifically.

sorry stark, i'm just being grumpy, didn't mean to be a jerk

Phantasee wrote:Yo Adam the board clock is off again by several minutes.

yea my computer's clock runs slow

there now it is a couple mins ahead

next week it will be accurate

briefly

Losonti Tokash wrote:

Aaron wrote:I don't think he's talking to you specifically.

sorry stark, i'm just being grumpy, didn't mean to be a jerk

for reals nobody ever needs to apologise to me for being moody

fo shiz

I like that Los is the kind of dude that apologizes for briefly being less than sunshine and rainbows. What a stellar guy.

Oxymoron wrote:

Veef wrote:well

you guys eat snails sometimes

Well, that's because, you know

snails are just fucking delicious

I've had conch before, and those are just huge ass snails.

It was pretty good, I suppose. I prefer alligator, though.

I'm not fond of eating frogs, though. Frog legs always taste a little rich and fishy for me. I eat them every once in a while to remind me why I don't eat them any more often.

starku wrote:I think there's a big gulf between that kind of acceptance and the very common deflection into 'it turned out good' or 'they did worse' or 'we were pussies afraid of bamboo spears'

Even the west needs to own its own history, not just the guys that lost, rather than running uni courses on mass murder being ok of you can spin it right afterward

Sophie's choice sucks even more for nation-states than for individuals, because instead of deciding between which child lives or dies, you have to decide between hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of individuals. Who knew?

Shoulda just nuked Kandahar am I rite?

Cuz the Taliban and al Qaeda are exactly like the highly centralized and hierarchical Japanese Empire during WWII and actually were trying to think about what sort of damage the US armed forces could do their civilians.

If America going to war stopped the holocaust
Did America not going to war earlier enable it

Prior to '41 would have been hard for the US to go to war anyway, what with not actually amping up it's own industry until Pearl Harbor. Had Imperial Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor, it's questionable if the US would have gotten involved in WWII at all.

Civil War Man wrote:

Oxymoron wrote:or that it's so insecure about its own achievements that it has to belittle those of others to feel good about its owns, I guess ?

Well, the most devastating war in US history was a pretty small brush war by European or Asian standards. Make of that what you will.

Depends entirely on the scale. It was only small compared to what came later.

Akhlut wrote:Prior to '41 would have been hard for the US to go to war anyway, what with not actually amping up it's own industry until Pearl Harbor. Had Imperial Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor, it's questionable if the US would have gotten involved in WWII at all.

FDR was chomping at the bit and it was pretty much a matter of time until we got in one way or another (probably via escalating Battle of the Atlantic)

i just spent liek 3 hours on teo

i'm telling ya i need to quit the internet

and i can do it any time i want honest

but all the cool kids are doing it