Re: Godammed SDN
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:44 pm
What about people who just can't be rehabilitated, I.E. the Charles mansons of the world?
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That's the ideal.adr wrote:i'm also against capital punishment and abusive prisons and so on and so on regardless of what crimes the person did whether it is petty theft or mass murderAkhlut wrote:I didn't start a program to literally exterminate a race of people from the earth.
i'd prefer a justice system based on rehabilitation than retribution
for ALL
not just people i like
not just people accused of minor crimes
ALL
It's like the Tugg Speedman school of philosophy.starku wrote:Dudes he is like the four year old who loves the reaction when she screams I LOVE SATAN HEHEHE
Millions of people for thousands of years have believed in universal truths
Too bad the real world exists wih problems to solve rather than axioms to smugly repeat
Yeah but you're not really attempting to address real world problems in your posts anyway so what does it matteradr wrote:real world problems aren't solved by USE MOAR VIOLENCE RAR
And we aren't saying they are. But your not listening, now are you?adr wrote:real world problems aren't solved by USE MOAR VIOLENCE RAR
Greece used a lot of nonviolence and was devastated for it. Explain, please, how a group using nonviolence was nearly destroyed, despite your evidence that Hitler's allies and non-allied fellow Aryans weren't harmed.adr wrote:real world problems aren't solved by USE MOAR VIOLENCE RAR
Who is advocating using more violence to solve the world's problems? the only position i've ever seen anyone take against you in one of these "philosophical" debates is that violence is sometimes unfortunate but necessary. I haven't seen anyone advocate a strategy of RARGH KILL ALL ENEMIES!adr wrote:real world problems aren't solved by USE MOAR VIOLENCE RAR
it was answered with mansonDarksi4190 wrote:The question stands.
how do they handle it now?and how do you convince the families of murder victims to accept that you're letting the person who killed their loved ones out of jail because they've been "rehabilitated?"
greece also used violence which didn't help them. another example is Poland who got hurt really bad despite the resistance both violent and nonviolent and a lack of collaborationAkhlut wrote:Greece used a lot of nonviolence and was devastated for it.
Victim-blaming is bad when used against rape victims and bad when used against people who have had their people, in whole or in part, conquered and ruled by foreign occupiers for 500 continuous years by that point.adr wrote:greece also used violence which didn't help them. another example is Poland who got hurt really bad despite the resistance both violent and nonviolent and a lack of collaborationAkhlut wrote:Greece used a lot of nonviolence and was devastated for it.
What else were they supposed to do? Let 100% instead of 80% of their Jewish citizens be slaughtered? Let more people die from starvation? They tried nonviolent resistance and it did jack all shit. It only worked in nations that were allies to Hitler or were significantly Aryan in stock. If you were üntermenschen, tough shit, you'll die by bullet and fire.the sad reality is when you live in a world where violence is consider ok by the majority, a lot people are going to die and there's really not much you can do about it in the short term
Such as France and the UK invading Nazi Germany after the Anschluss?that's why proactive measures are necessary to prevent things from getting to that point
indeed which is why i want to reform it to make it betterAaron wrote:You realize that simply being locked away from the rest of society is a pretty heinous act, right?
ummmm i doAkhlut wrote:Why not blame the fucking Germans for their militaristic society which had kowtowed to the Prussian military for 90 years at that point instead of the Greeks who simply wanted to live in their own free and independent nation without being invaded by fascist shitheads?
they also tried violent resistance and it did jack all shitThey tried nonviolent resistance and it did jack all shit.
that may have worked, yes. odds are attacking after they declared war in september 1939 would have helped tooSuch as France and the UK invading Nazi Germany after the Anschluss?
so what are you talking about?Aaron wrote:Psst...never said I was in favour of capital punishment.
adr wrote:ummmm i doAkhlut wrote:Why not blame the fucking Germans for their militaristic society which had kowtowed to the Prussian military for 90 years at that point instead of the Greeks who simply wanted to live in their own free and independent nation without being invaded by fascist shitheads?
you guys seem to live in a black and white world
You say you're okay with self-defense, but when a nation actually tried to use it, you fucking blame the victim instead of putting it with the aggressor (beyond some cursory "oh, yeah, Nazis are terrible; now, let me cry for Hitler"). It's akin to saying that when a battered woman finally tries to fight back against her abuser and gets her jaw broke that "well, fighting back wasn't the solution."adr wrote:greece also used violence which didn't help them.
Up until US entry into the war, the Greeks were the ONLY nation that had successfully resisted a fascist nation at all. The sole, single nation on earth which had scored a victory against the fascists.they also tried violent resistance and it did jack all shitThey tried nonviolent resistance and it did jack all shit.
And would you have said that the UK or France should have gotten involved or would you say that they should have just tut-tutted Hitler, essentially, instead of bombing Germany and killing Nazi soldiers?i think they, like poland, were in a no-win scenario and needed outside help to make the best of it
And, yet, prior to this, you've yet to say that a post-Anschluss or Munich Agreement invasion would have done anything while instead cleaving to "NON-VIOLENCE FOR ALL PROBLEMS, RARGH" like a drowning man to any piece of flotsam that floats by.that may have worked, yes. odds are attacking after they declared war in september 1939 would have helped tooSuch as France and the UK invading Nazi Germany after the Anschluss?
as would a million other things they didn't try
He's an ideologue. Ignore him.Aaron wrote:Psst...never said I was in favour of capital punishment.
Too bad your shit all relies on stuff that is politically impossible in your nation or just unworkable given the nature of humanity.