Godammed SDN

[RedImperator]

q: does game theory means "be a giant asshole and you will always win"?

It generally means the most rational move isn't necessarily the one that will produce the best outcome and...oh, wait, sorry, that's actual game theory.

[starku]

it's a laugh because actions or policies leading to undesired or unexpected outcomes due to people 'gaming' them is kind of the maybe tiny significance of game theory in management

but to nerds it just means OH EMM GEE I DO WAHT I WANTZ

[adr-admin]

yeah

what i love is the prisoner's dilemma thing (which is just one example of the general game theory concept of course but the famous one everybody seems to talk about exclusively),

anyway the right answer is to cooperate with the other prisoner. in simulations, the best score is gotten when trust the other guy unless he gives you a reason not to.


but this is brought up all the time by people saying "betray every time"


the fucking worst is the I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP KILLING STAR argument from atomic rockets ppl


"assume the other guy thinks the way you do"

if that's true, it's fucking trivial logic to get to the cooperation conclusion. You can trust yourself.


but no we need to kill them all because they'd do the same to us


with relativistic kinetic kill vehicles for maximum lols




i know i'm preaching to the choir here but speaking of preaching fundamentalist islam is pure evil

[Questor]

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 2&t=151691

Shroomie, that is one of the best trolls I've ever seen you do. Not only did you make the warmongerers do backflips, but you also managed to bring out some blatant administrative hypocrisy in the process.

This, but that thread is ridiculously stupid now. Some of the posts are trending towards Yahoo! News comment-tard level.

[adr-admin]

what about my love for the greatest humanity has to offer?

jesus, socrates, martin luther king, riker

[adr-admin]

i slay me

[Zod]

what about my love for the greatest humanity has to offer?

jesus, socrates, martin luther king, riker

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rGdpss0o368

:trollface:

[adr-admin]

i just stopped laughing a second ago at my own bad joke

i'm so fucking tired i need to go to bed

[Questor]

i just stopped laughing a second ago at my own bad joke

i'm so fucking tired i need to go to bed

I was thinking more of the "What shroom said, but serious" crowd. And of course the morons who didn't see the trolling as soon as they saw shroom's name next to the post.

[adr-admin]

nice clip.

it reminded me of another though. i can't find it on the youtube but it's from ds9 "the house of quark"


FROM THE BOOK OF SISKO 303:5.

GOWRON
(continuing)
DaH! (now!)

D'Ghor swings his blade back, preparing for a mighty
swing... but in that moment, Quark THROWS his sword
across the room, disarming himself. D'Ghor pauses,
surprised by the move. Quark stands his ground and
glares at D'Ghor.

QUARK
Go ahead. Kill me. That's why I'm
here, isn't it, to be killed? Well,
here I am, so go ahead and do it.

D'Ghor has been caught off-guard here, and he hesitates.
Quark uses his hesitation to turn to Gowron and the Council.


QUARK
(continuing, to Council)
You all want me to pick up that sword
and try to fight him, don't you?
But I don't have a chance and you
know it. You only want me to put up
a fight so your precious honor will
be satisfied. Well, I'm not going
to make it easy for you.
(beat)
Having me fight D'Ghor is nothing
more than an execution... so if that's
what you want, that's what you're
going to get: an execution. No honor,
no glory...

Quark turns back to D'Ghor, who is watching him closely.

DEEP SPACE: "The House... " - REV. 08/05/94 - ACT FIVE 64.


32 CONTINUED: (2)

QUARK
(to D'Ghor)
And when you tell your children and
your grandchildren the glorious story
of how you rose to power and took
Grilka's house from her, I hope you
remember to tell them how you
heroically killed an unarmed Ferengi
half your size.

Gowron and the Council members are shifting unhappily in
their places... they're not too happy about the way this is
happening. But D'Ghor only gives Quark a small smile.


D'GHOR
(softly)
Whatever you say, Ferengi...

D'Ghor cocks back the blade for a killing stroke... and he
is about to cut Quark in two, when Gowron swiftly moves in
and grabs the sword, freezing D'Ghor in place. Gowron's
attitude is both shamed and disappointed.

GOWRON
What are you doing?

D'Ghor is genuinely shocked... he loosens his grip on the
sword and Gowron pulls it away from him in disgust.


GOWRON
I didn't want to believe the things
he said about you yesterday... but
if you can stand here and... murder
this pathetic little man, then you
have no honor. And you have no place
in this hall.

Gowron throws the bat'leth to the ground, and then turns his
back on D'Ghor. The other Council members all turn away
from D'Ghor, who has now been shamed before everyone. Gowron
signals to one of the Guards in the room, who then moves to
D'Ghor. D'Ghor stares at them all in disbelief... then turns
and lets the Guard escort him from the room. Gowron glances
at Quark in a mixture of disbelief and admiration.

GOWRON
(shaking his head)
A brave Ferengi... who would have
thought it possible?

OMG TREK IS SO RACIST

[Veef]

hay Bakustra, how's the battle with Brookie going

macrossworld is down so i can't make fun of him directly right now

[adr-admin]

i get the nagging feeling that simon_jester doesn't like me much

[adr-admin]

"What Islam has had trouble with is secularization"

out of context i know but come on

[Flagg]

"What Islam has had trouble with is secularization"

out of context i know but come on

There sure aren't any Christians wanting theocracy that's for sure!

[RogueIce]

Yeah, and I was born in fucking Moscow.

I knew it! You're Stas Bush's sockpuppet!

[Djinnkitty83]

Jesus Christ Raynor is I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP. Literally mentally handicapped, he has been effectively talking to himself for several pages now because he sure as hell isn't responding to anyone's points, or responding to anyone pointing out that he isn't responding. I have this image of him with glazed eyes and a streamer of drool connecting his chin to his collarbone, TPM playing in the background, one hand pecking away at the keyboard, the other firmly jammed down his pants.

Prediction time: How likely is it that a mod will come by and actually try to enforce the debating rules on him... or are they too busy dealing with Shroomy's disruptive internet-tough-guy behaviour?

[Aaron]

yeah

what i love is the prisoner's dilemma thing (which is just one example of the general game theory concept of course but the famous one everybody seems to talk about exclusively),

anyway the right answer is to cooperate with the other prisoner. in simulations, the best score is gotten when trust the other guy unless he gives you a reason not to.


but this is brought up all the time by people saying "betray every time"


the fucking worst is the I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP KILLING STAR argument from atomic rockets ppl


"assume the other guy thinks the way you do"

if that's true, it's fucking trivial logic to get to the cooperation conclusion. You can trust yourself.


but no we need to kill them all because they'd do the same to us


with relativistic kinetic kill vehicles for maximum lols




i know i'm preaching to the choir here but speaking of preaching fundamentalist islam is pure evil

You know that German (Luftwaffe?) interrogator that got prisoners to talk by becoming friends with them?

We fail to learn from history.

[Aaron]

Yeah, and I was born in fucking Moscow.

I knew it! You're Stas Bush's sockpuppet!

Fortunately I remember nothing of those days.

[Questor]

Why is Alphawolf55 back? Didn't he get titled and banned for that rediculous thing where he wanted to sue his mother?

Even when he has a point, he can't communicate it.

Let me summarize KS's (admittedly badly stated point): don't be an idiot and you will significantly reduce the odds of having trouble with police.

As for his other assertion, I can guarantee that (at least after the fact) nobody thinks the Brooklyn Bridge incident was a good idea. They had to commandeer city busses to move all the arrestees, and I'm sure the courts were so pleased to have that many arraignments.

[Zod]

Why is Alphawolf55 back? Didn't he get titled and banned for that rediculous thing where he wanted to sue his mother?

i think you have him confused with shadowdragonnumbers?

unless there's two idiots that wanted to do that

[Bakustra]

Shadowdragon867-5309 never got banned, he just ran away and hasn't posted for a while.

[artemas]

yeah

what i love is the prisoner's dilemma thing (which is just one example of the general game theory concept of course but the famous one everybody seems to talk about exclusively),

anyway the right answer is to cooperate with the other prisoner. in simulations, the best score is gotten when trust the other guy unless he gives you a reason not to.


but this is brought up all the time by people saying "betray every time"


the fucking worst is the I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP KILLING STAR argument from atomic rockets ppl


"assume the other guy thinks the way you do"

if that's true, it's fucking trivial logic to get to the cooperation conclusion. You can trust yourself.


but no we need to kill them all because they'd do the same to us


with relativistic kinetic kill vehicles for maximum lols




i know i'm preaching to the choir here but speaking of preaching fundamentalist islam is pure evil

the funny thing is that how a game can be solved is pretty heavily dependent on the assumptions about the players, and their payoffs. for example, just changing the assumption of "prisoners can't communicate" to "now they can" can change the game.

so why is it funny? because you can determine a lot about someone from the assumptions they make about the game; or fail to make.

[Bakustra]

I'm surprised that nobody's gotten into Smartephant and the Ass responses to adr yet.

[adr-admin]

i'm not familiar with that

[Bakustra]

click for big



pitiable ass! I shall explain the error you have made, in words you will understand