Godammed SDN

[Agent Bert Macklin]

Nothing so trite. My flaws would be corrected if I got some.

Why do I overthink; because I don't want to fuck up.
Why do I not want to fuck up; because I overvalue sex.
Why do I overvalue sex; because I rarely get it.

Ps I'm 25 and haven't been on a date. Do I care? Nope. Am I worried? Nope.

[RyanThunder]

ryan if you don't shut the fuck up about this i'm going to ban you permanently

Because you asked so nicely.

[Count Chocula]

but man americans bemoaning economic unions is seriously funny stuff

ps cockles can't understand why false information provided to decisionmakers doesn't invalidate the decisionmaking process

but phant won't ban him, either because he's a personal coward or he hopes to profit from the individual later

is there a third option lol

The difference Stark is that the US is legally a Republic, so common currency and free trade = no problem, that was settled before our Civil War. For better or worse we have one system setting things like reserve requirements, loan rates, bond rates, etc. From what I understand of the Euro system it's basically a bunch of independent states saying "I'm meeting our state standards for reserves and deficits and therefore can participate in the common currency I double promise I'm not Greece or Spain or France triple super secret promise I mean it this time" with little to support or enforce the requirements for inclusion in the EU currency system.

If starku can actually prove that the US provided false information to the EU in the formation of the common currency, as he seems to be implying happened, I'm all ears. If starku can show in any way that the current euro problems are America's fault, and the poor innocent states of Europe (except Germany they're always the villains ONE MILLION DOLLARS right?) had nothing to do with their current situation, I'm happy to look at that too. I'm also curious how Mr. Steve Starku Irwin is now a self-proclaimed authority on the Euro. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Oi, Ryan, or is it 'wanker'? I don't know anymoar. Lemme tell you something. I wasn't looking at all, and neither was he. We were both at work, dirty, nasty, filthy, and all business. He was a redneck with a run-down old pick-em-up truck and coming off a truly horrible relationship on top, and I was a hardware store clerk with a habit of politics and getting the shop's cow manure all over me. I had literal bullshit on me half the time we talked if it wasn't pipe threading oil, sawdust, sweat, or whatever. He'd be coated in pipe glue or drywall mud or spattered in paint or the ever present SAWDUST. He'd look at me with a piercing blue-eyed stare that could kill and skin a whole bayou full of gators and peel all the crawfish, and he had the muscles to back up that stare to boot! We saw each other at our absolute worst and I still made nice because that was my job.

Several dozen of his trips and a *REALLY* gay friend of his later, and we fell for each other, hard. That was four years ago. Two and a half years ago, I moved in. Today, we participated in the commitment ceremony at Pridefest.

DO NOT fucking tell me you have it difficult, Ryan. Do or do not. There is no try.

So if anybody's to blame here its women.

See you in Hell.

[Phantasee]

but phant won't ban him, either because he's a personal coward or he hopes to profit from the individual later

is there a third option lol

it entertains me to hear another perspective

[Count Chocula]

I bet ryan would be getting a lot more action if he was pegging Chuckles and would bitch a whole helluva lot less.

but you won't perm-ban chockles?

lol

It would be a lie if I said that wasn't my exact same thought.

You, Sir, are still smoking too many cigarettes at once. That is a suboptimal allocation of resources, even if they are your own personal resources it's wasteful and offensive. Nicotine is to be savored in measured doses, not gluttonously inhaled to the point of nausea. And your av is wearing a mask. I don't trust avs who wear masks. That's untrustworthy. You are banned! Again. For real this time, yeah. Dalton hath spake, and so mote it be!

[Losonti Tokash]

ryan you are like a literal hungry ghost

[Akhlut]

ryan you are like a literal hungry ghost

Hungry-hungry ghosts?

[Bakustra]

The difference Stark is that the US is legally a Republic, so common currency and free trade = no problem, that was settled before our Civil War. For better or worse we have one system setting things like reserve requirements, loan rates, bond rates, etc. From what I understand of the Euro system it's basically a bunch of independent states saying "I'm meeting our state standards for reserves and deficits and therefore can participate in the common currency I double promise I'm not Greece or Spain or France triple super secret promise I mean it this time" with little to support or enforce the requirements for inclusion in the EU currency system.

Oh boo berry

Spain had surpluses prior to the crash in 2007, and France is still economically afloat and doing fine

in fact greece is an outlier among all the economically depressed nations, used by the bourgeoisie as the thin end of the wedge to keep the world economically depressed and vulnerable to their efforts to establish industrial serfdom

ps three out of the four "PIGS" would only have qualified (under your understanding) if global socialist revolutions took place to supplant the capitalist model and its business cycle

If starku can actually prove that the US provided false information to the EU in the formation of the common currency, as he seems to be implying happened, I'm all ears. If starku can show in any way that the current euro problems are America's fault, and the poor innocent states of Europe (except Germany they're always the villains ONE MILLION DOLLARS right?) had nothing to do with their current situation, I'm happy to look at that too. I'm also curious how Mr. Steve Starku Irwin is now a self-proclaimed authority on the Euro. But I'm not holding my breath.

american banks held a shitload of debt in europe, and when they imploded they seriously hurt european countries, and the general recession was caused by america, and austerian economics have held the most sway in the us of a for quite some time now

[Count Chocula]

remember all those times cockles demanded he be educated and then he accepted that information and stopped simply yelling 'america rules'

that he's offended finance companies said greece met the EU economic standards when it totally didn't is pretty funny though

Yeah, Stark, smugness and vagueness and a lack of punctuation and "hai guiz remember when xoxo LOL" and false attribution actually don't do anything to make you remotely credible. I eagerly await even a halfway reasoned response, which I suspect you'll dish up at half past never.

[Sandman]

And it would, from what I've seen, still be a somewhat faster reasoned response than yours.

[Count Chocula]

Oh so we're doing a dogpile? How about let's not, you and Stark are so fucking smug and Baks is so incoherent I half expect Thanas to step in and contribute to the "debate." I'm willing to let it all drop, there's gotta be something on TEO to discuss.

Believe it or not, the fish thread Broomstick started is actually pretty informative. My family likes salmon and we usually eat fish just on Friday, so we're helping save the world hell yeah!

[Djinnkitty83]

Chuckles would like a liter of cola right the fuck now.

[Count Chocula]

Why yes, yes I would thank you Djinn. Atlanta-brewed Coke please, Pepsi's too damn sweet and lacks sufficient fizzy bubbly.

[Agent Bert Macklin]

Is this at all relevant regarding American financial institution's involvement in finacial situations in Europe? They played apart in Iceland's troubles.

http://depts.washington.edu/teclass/art ... tyfair.pdf

[Sandman]

You know, I knew to a general extent that the globalisation of markets had led to the current economic crisis when the American banks all went under - it's pretty bloody obvious to anyone who knows even the first thing about the nature of capitalism, after all. It does, however, lead me to the conclusion that most capitalists seemingly fail to realise how their own system works. But since a series of depressive episodes have led me to avoid things that depress me (i.e.; the news) I didn't actually realise that it was so specifically and literally America's fault in as many areas.

Bloody hell.

[Count Chocula]

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. managed $15 billion of bond sales for Greece after arranging a currency swap that allowed the government to hide the extent of its deficit. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it would be a “scandal” if banks helped Greece massage its budget.

hey cockles

Guess what

You're wrong again trollollolllolll

Would that be the Goldman Sachs London bureau? Or is Goldman earning $24 million in commissions since 2002 your bone of contention? It certainly can't be this article. Europe's totally off the hook for going along with the Greek government's malfeasance, yes indeedy:

European leaders will also be mindful of how deeply exposed their own banks are to Greece. All told, Greece owes 252.8 billion euros to European banks.

Those damn Americans have fucked Europe again! Damn them!

I notice you still didn't provide a source for your at-first-glance substantive rebuttal, starku. Are you such a lazy wanker that you can't inline a fucking html link?

[Count Chocula]

Sorry dude I specifically returned to the misrepresentation of greek debt

Which is hugely attested to across the media

But it's ok dude we know deep down you're really smart and not an ignorant moron

Wow man, that's a triple fail to provide anything to back up your oh so witty witticisms. But thank you, you've clarified something for me.

I was laboring under the misapprehension that you were attempting to be the Testingstan Larry King with maybe a dash of humor. But those shoes must be filled by someone who can actually cite sources and make arguments, and I ain't seeing that.

I now realize you are NT's Jimmy Kimmell and can properly relate to you. Thank you for this evening's conversation.

[Bakustra]

Oh so we're doing a dogpile? How about let's not, you and Stark are so fucking smug and Baks is so incoherent I half expect Thanas to step in and contribute to the "debate." I'm willing to let it all drop, there's gotta be something on TEO to discuss.

Believe it or not, the fish thread Broomstick started is actually pretty informative. My family likes salmon and we usually eat fish just on Friday, so we're helping save the world hell yeah!

sigh... you are being calm and reasonable about this, you are clearly the better man

not me though, i'm dumb and so goddamn crazy!!!

a hint: i may be writing like this because your history has led me to conclude that this is the only way to post at you without my blood pressure creeping up

if you don't like it, start considering what is being said

in fact, let me help you

see, lumping france, spain, and greece together, like you did in your jabbering, is nonsensical, as each of the three have different problems

france has a demand crunch from the overall recession

spain is dealing with that plus the collapse of a bubble they built their economy on

greece is dealing with the demand crunch plus a massively dysfunctional government plus a massive debt load plus this conception of economics as a sort of morality play

which is why greece is, despite jaerimuse's moaning and panting about how we're all gonna die, a-n-n-y day now, the only one of the depressed countries in europe to be at risk of defaulting- it has a collection of problems working together

[Count Chocula]

Good job Stark, you're capitalizing the beginning of each sentence. Maybe we can work on spelling and punctuation when you're not being all E.E. Cummings for the lulz.

You tell me, or guess: was GS do goddamn good at obfuscating Greek debt and deficit ratios that the ECB, BNP Paribas, Generali, Societe General, Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank and Royal Bank of Scotland, all of which have billions of Euros in Greek bonds, had NO FUCKING IDEA the Greek government was lying about their position? GS is the bad guy in your mind, and if I were running GS (yes complete fantasy) I would have stayed away from a client seeking to mislead investors; have you considered the possibility that GS was the low bidder for what the Greek government wanted done? The whole Greek episode strikes me as a three monkeys see, hear and speak no evil scenario that worked for a while until it inevitably fell apart under the weight of too many obligations. Of course this is all just a thought exercise, I don't have any links. And I'm frothing at the mouth right now, yes I am. Just rabid.

[Sandman]

Well, it's good that you're honest about having a problem. The next step is of course obtaining rabies treatments through the universal healthcare that you don't have.

[Bakustra]

Well, it's good that you're honest about having a problem. The next step is of course obtaining rabies treatments through the universal healthcare that you don't have.

But don't you know that Greed Is Good?

[Sandman]

Well, it's good that you're honest about having a problem. The next step is of course obtaining rabies treatments through the universal healthcare that you don't have.

But don't you know that Greed Is Good?

Ah, but you fail to realise that I suffer from a unique disability in this area.

You see, I'm an Un-American Pinko Commie Leftist Limey Bastard. And as an UAPCLLB, I would obviously be unaware of the virtues which are inherent to one of society's most iconic vices.

[Zod]

Good job Stark, you're capitalizing the beginning of each sentence. Maybe we can work on spelling and punctuation when you're not being all E.E. Cummings for the lulz.

You tell me, or guess: was GS do goddamn good at obfuscating Greek debt and deficit ratios that the ECB, BNP Paribas, Generali, Societe General, Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank and Royal Bank of Scotland, all of which have billions of Euros in Greek bonds, had NO FUCKING IDEA the Greek government was lying about their position? GS is the bad guy in your mind, and if I were running GS (yes complete fantasy) I would have stayed away from a client seeking to mislead investors; have you considered the possibility that GS was the low bidder for what the Greek government wanted done? The whole Greek episode strikes me as a three monkeys see, hear and speak no evil scenario that worked for a while until it inevitably fell apart under the weight of too many obligations. Of course this is all just a thought exercise, I don't have any links. And I'm frothing at the mouth right now, yes I am. Just rabid.

I'm sure everyone that invested in the Facebook IPO would vouch for GS' trustworthiness.

[Count Chocula]

Oh so we're doing a dogpile? How about let's not, you and Stark are so fucking smug and Baks is so incoherent I half expect Thanas to step in and contribute to the "debate." I'm willing to let it all drop, there's gotta be something on TEO to discuss.

Believe it or not, the fish thread Broomstick started is actually pretty informative. My family likes salmon and we usually eat fish just on Friday, so we're helping save the world hell yeah!

sigh... you are being calm and reasonable about this, you are clearly the better man

not me though, i'm dumb and so goddamn crazy!!!

a hint: i may be writing like this because your history has led me to conclude that this is the only way to post at you without my blood pressure creeping up

if you don't like it, start considering what is being said

in fact, let me help you

see, lumping france, spain, and greece together, like you did in your jabbering, is nonsensical, as each of the three have different problems

france has a demand crunch from the overall recession

spain is dealing with that plus the collapse of a bubble they built their economy on

greece is dealing with the demand crunch plus a massively dysfunctional government plus a massive debt load plus this conception of economics as a sort of morality play

which is why greece is, despite jaerimuse's moaning and panting about how we're all gonna die, a-n-n-y day now, the only one of the depressed countries in europe to be at risk of defaulting- it has a collection of problems working together

Mr. Bakendia, if I recall correctly, the required deficit ratio for inclusion into the Euro zone for any participating state is 3% lest they face fines. Of course, if they're in "recession" then there are no fines. Government debt cannot exceed 60% of GDP (crap, thank God AFY isn't in the Euro Zone!...or maybe it could be a GOOD thing...). There are other conditions, inflation of any member state must be within 1.5% of the top 3 member states' inflation rates, "exchange rates" must be in a quote unquote normal range for several years, the whores dispatched to Brussels embassies must be tested monthly for STDs, yadda yadda. Here are the stats for Spain and France:

Spain: deficit now at 8.5% of GDP. Were earlier year numbers a lie? Who the fuck knows. Debt ratio: 69.3%

France: deficit "could have dipped as low as 5.3 per cent of gross domestic product last year, putting France well on track to meet this year's target of 4.5 per cent." Eurozone inclusion without penalty is 3% just as a reminder. I'm suuurrreee France paid the ECB fines for exceeding that. France's debt ratio is 86.5% of GDP again from Wiki. So yeah, they're weak sisters in the Zone and no wonder Angela Merkel is putting on her iron panties. Italy's making progress on their deficit, even though it's above the Euromax it's declining year-over-year, but you really don't want to know their debt ratio. Okay it's 121% of GDP. Ireland's at 108%, I guess Bono and U2 heading for greener tax pastures years ago fooked them up. Germany BTW has a debt ratio of 82%. Poland, another Euro user, has a debt ratio of 56%.

Those damn Americans have screwed Europe again!