Godammed SDN

[zhaktronz]

lol

[zhaktronz]

lol

Honestly it was just a formality on my end, ever since ive been working a real job I have pretty much no desire to read the forum, or play xbox for that matter.

It just seems like my time is more valuable now.

HUMAN CONDITONZ

[Pieman]

This is the reaction of some people who have been ed and ed many times. They are weary and pissed off. And even useful conversations that would work even on SDN can be hard to have if there are constantly people jumping in to proclaim their philosophical superiority and actively mock not only what you think, but how you think.

"You stupid engineers, you should never have dissed philosophy!" isn't an argument that goes well with ever getting any joy out of anything ever.

This is why I was kind of conflicted about the whole thing earlier. I've seen too many threads just become a fucking worthless mess when they didn't have to be, and a short list of the usual suspects have done it a lot.

So keep exhausting people and pissing them off, and they finally lash out and go "fuck you and the horse you rode in on." Big surprise. Who knows, maybe they actually will be better off for it.



EDIT: Because you can laugh and point and sneer about intellectual monoculture and fatness of the soul, but left to their own devices people do find ways to talk to each other without just dissolving in smugness and idiocy. If the group isn't too blatantly overpoliced by bad-tempered posturing clowns, it still works anyway and doesn't actually turn into that monoculture.

And SDN is probably not going to be overpoliced, because I bet Rebecca issues Wong another ultimatum in like a week or two. The only pity is that he's probably not going to shake up the mod/admin base while he's here and... hm. I think decreasing Thanas's remit, and possibly finding someone else to give the top-tier authority too since Dalton is seldom actually around, would probably help.

[Shroom Man 777]

zak:

srsly not being stuck in a sucky place full of people that just piss you off into making an ass of yourself will improve your diet and bmi



simon:

i meant, buck and destro and zak would be better off for it by no longer being there

it would have been better for them if they had just ditched the place, like, ages ago when they got dissatisfied of the place and its peoples

rather than wasting time strakking those guys, and having everyone everywhere just tired and fat after the whole affair, especially since all those guys were tiring fat people in the first place, so now everyone ends up being more tirererder and fattererer than they have to be




i wonder guise, buck, destro, how do you feel about no longer being part of that place

[Pieman]

[blinks]

Wait what

Anyway

I think the fatness partly comes from opposition. When you have philosophers shitting on your head philosophy looks bad. When you have historians OPPRESSING you history looks boring and unfun. When you have poorly thought out college not-really-socialist screeds blaring in your ears, the left looks nasty and stupid. So the tired person rejects all these things and pulls back until he's on ground where he understands everything and can dismiss all the people who shit on him.

But remove the shittening, and he can stop and look up at the sky without a faceful of poo, and it is good and progress can happen.

[Shroom Man 777]

Because you can laugh and point and sneer about intellectual monoculture and fatness of the soul, but left to their own devices people do find ways to talk to each other without just dissolving in smugness and idiocy. If the group isn't too blatantly overpoliced by bad-tempered posturing clowns, it still works anyway and doesn't actually turn into that monoculture.

if you have less people being argumentative QED fucktardo del fuego asshole etc. about it, and less hair-trigger reactionary lunatic blargh surgerize uurgh mods, and people just chatting sanely and chilly, then idk that would pretty much be OT or testing or something

then you'd have those argumentative QED reactionary lunatic blargh surgerize del fucktardofuego guys going on about how the board isn't supposed to be a social network, how they're supposed to breed intellectualoid crucibloids foster higher knowledge discourses by, i dunno, concession accepting each other, whatever (they did this back when the board was pretty chill a few years ago, they were lol afraid that the intellectual quotent would go down or whatev)

i mean, only like OT and testing are forums that aren't dedicated to, or originated from, people arguing the fuck out of each other

for the other main boards:

SWvsST is explanatory
OSF was full of blergh gigajoules
NP is all blargh luberals blargh rethuglicrons etc.
SLAM is creationoreligulons lol africon origins stfu


i guess the breakdowns, dramas and animosities is a natural outcome of the origins of that place as a psycho internet argument killing field

[Shroom Man 777]

I think the fatness partly comes from opposition. When you have philosophers shitting on your head philosophy looks bad. When you have historians OPPRESSING you history looks boring and unfun. When you have poorly thought out college not-really-socialist screeds blaring in your ears, the left looks nasty and stupid. So the tired person rejects all these things and pulls back until he's on ground where he understands everything and can dismiss all the people who shit on him.

But remove the shittening, and he can stop and look up at the sky without a faceful of poo, and it is good and progress can happen.

the problem is the board was predicated on people shitting on each other and gloating and posturing about it, that's the board's identity

sure they were pew-pewing each other with unimportant bullshit gigajoules of sifi spesssheeps and whatever, and even then it was already ridiculous and I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP

with that formula established, when people bring in other things that may be more personal to them than just spess sheep sifi hobby tv show movies, things like their politics, beliefs, philos, religulons, etc., well if they were that full I'M A JUGGALO WOOP WOOP with their spess sheeps then with these other things, they'll end up being even fullerer retardeder

EDIT:

decent sane chill discussions on that board are hard because it originated as a place for the exact opposite of decent sane chill discussions, namely psycho internet retard flame war screaming fests, and maybe this ridiculousness has like... suffused itself into the identities of those who have spent way too much time over there over the years, so you end up with people who are hard to talk to in a chill way because its always rargh blargh me righto you wronggo etc.

[Zod]

So God could actually be pretty normal by human standards and still let us live like this because meh, who cares? Especially if there actually is some kind of afterlife and he's not being a jerk about it, which some religions believe and some don't of course.

There's probably a theological word for "being bitter at God for not being what we expect him to be."

afaik the Romans basically had this idea. The gods weren't necessarily something to be emulated but if you didn't pay them their respects they could fuck your shit up since they controlled all the forces of nature and shit and were petty and spiteful

[Shroom Man 777]

or you could file a petition in triplicate to the celestial bureaucracy and this god could get demoted because his fingers were sloppy on the abacus or whatever

[Jung]

The thing that strikes me about SDN and philosophy

Imagine the reaction somebody would get if he started arguing with Alyrium about biology or Darth Wong about engineering while having only basic layman knowledge of the subject

But when it comes to philosophy everyone feels free to pontificate away as if their random layman's opinion is just as good as anyone else's, if not as if they're hot shit. If anybody gets extra respect it's Darth Wong and the other big names, not people who actually have background in the field. In fact I pick up more than a little thinly veiled contempt for philosophy as a field (any philosophy that isn't secular humanist utilitarianism anyway).

The double standard is just striking.

the problem is the board was predicated on people shitting on each other and gloating and posturing about it, that's the board's identity

Yeah, this. I think a lot of SDN's problems are fundamental cultural issues that flow from Darth Wong and company's vision of what they want the board to be. If you really want to improve the place you'd have to improve the culture, and improving the culture means going against what its creators and the people in charge of it want it to be ... and I think today's events give us an idea of what that would look like.

[Shroom Man 777]

yeah, there were quite a few "civilians" who hung around and just wanted to chill and talk about non srs bsnss argumentator stuff, but the place really wasn't for that kind of stuff, and so you've got that type of people just passing by and not staying cause they weren't really interested in that kinda sheeit

oh well

[Jung]

I've been participating in that moral nihilism thread... did DW just use the word "plebs" unironically?

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=175

That's more an issue of how you present your morality to the plebs, not how you should actually conceptualize it.

[Nietzslime]

probably

in other news i right now consider familiarizing myself with the canadian electronic band austra over the course of a brief nightrun to be more important than engaging in that morality thread further

[Straha]

I'm biting into some of these posts. The A strat: challenge someone to a coliseum match so that it doesn't become another TEO hive mind dogpile and go from there.

[Nietzslime]

you're a better person than i

[Shroom Man 777]

invoke the shadow proclamation

[Questor]

I'm biting into some of these posts. The A strat: challenge someone to a coliseum match so that it doesn't become another TEO hive mind dogpile and go from there.

That's kind of what I'm trying to bait Hongi into. I just don't know if I have the time or interest, so I keep vacillating when the time comes to actually do the challenging.

[Comrade Pollux]

In the aftermath of all of this, I feel it appropriate to ask:

What does TEO actually stand for?

[Nietzslime]

it's just the letters that come after sdn

it's a pretty dumb nickname that sort of caught on for no real reason

[Director of Celestial Intelligence]

C... on a pogo stick hopping down main street. At what point did any of that seem worth it?

At what point did you start operating under the delusion that SDN was worth it? I can't remember the last time I engaged in anything of 'importance' over there. Mainly I just go to see what you guys are talking about and rather stay at SB where at least they're honest about the fact that they can ban you for no fucking reason. At least they found a way to have fun with it.

maybe I'll start a thread here

Or we could just go to our poor pony ghetto where the denizens of testingstan have consigned us to before they enact their final solution...

[Questor]

Start up the glue factories!!!!!

Death to the ponies!!!

[timmy]

Hey Stark

Wanna hear something really really fat

Some of us use TEO as a clantag

[adr-admin]

i wonder guise, buck, destro, how do you feel about no longer being part of that place

i've been so busy with the new house that it hasn't mattered yet

like shortly after i rejoiced at being martyred mark called and said "i'm going to the home depot wanna cum"

and i was like "sure"

and he said "ok after you finish with that i'll pick you up and we'll go to the home depot"*



and then i spent like another $40 on various little things i forgot the last time and then got back to the house and started doing shit

just jumping on the computer when i got annoyed with that fucking door to bitch about it (it works now btw)


and then of course it was late


sooo yeah.




* this one makes me lol. another variant

"hey are you still coming?"

"yeah"

"ok you finish that then get over here"

lololol

[adr-admin]

it's a pretty dumb nickname that sort of caught on for no real reason

i liek it cuz it is pronuncable like a regular word

[adr-admin]

i've been so busy with the new house that it hasn't mattered yet

omg omg omg what is the first stage of grief

isn't it

denial??????

shit son