Revival!
shermpotter wrote:The problem is Islam itself, which means 'submission.' Their favorite phrase is "inshallah" which roughly means 'as God wills.' They don't take responsibility for their actions and many of this hateful religion who may not agree with the hot heads still don't do anything about them. A pox be perpetually upon them!!
Bart Blade wrote:There have already been a number of mysterious fires at various museums and the L'Institute d'Egypte with its library of 200,000 texts has been destroyed by fire. In the case of L'Institute d'Egypte, it is apparent that the arson was state-sanctioned.
So if Bart were to source his posts, would he be using the Bruce Tinsley "sources gained from 90 hours of weekly Jack Daniels-aided research", or the Andrew Schafly "This actually happened" citation method? You decide.
Rob Herrick wrote:The question is this: what do those who are not supposed to do to those who are?
With every Arab Spring event in every Middle Eastern country, the folks who want to run things on religious lines come out on top. In most other Middle East countries, the people generally seem quite content to support (or ignore) the Fundamentalists in whatever mayhem they cause abroad, though the jury is out on whether they want to live that way themselves. Very few Islamic nations have any real interest in more than face-saving crackdowns on Ali Q and the Fundies, unless said nuts threaten their political power.
So how long are we supposed to make fine distinction between "good guys" who don't believe what the bad people believe, but can't be bothered to deal with the bad guys themselves, and "bad guys?" What's the point where the "good guys" silence and unwillingness to get their hands dirty becomes support for the "bad guys?"
Neither are flip questions, because that's the existential dilemma
The answer, Robby, is to just start killing. I'll tell you when to stop.
Rob Herrick wrote:It's not just governments. We're facing - especially in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but we had it in Egypt too - a government that is well disposed toward us (or at least says it is) that is riding herd on potentially restive populations with sizable support for organizations we consider to be terrorists. The question is, at what point to the people have to stop saying they're against these bad things, and start working on their own to control them. What do we do when the terrorist extremists - such as the Muslim Brotherhood - become the Government. What do we do about a population where 80% of the people say they despise Al Quaeda and the Taliban, but a large chunk of those support HAMAS and Hizbollah and want an Islamic state like Erodagan's Turkey?
At what point do we conclude they do support the stated goals of extremist organizations, but want the killing done elsewhere or the imposition of a Fundamentalist state to happen differently? Is disapproval of Al Quaeda disapproval of method or disapproval of results?
I don't know.
Herrick, the Muslim Brotherhood is a pacifistic organization and has been that way for decades! In fact, just come out and start shrieking about how terrible Muslims are, you sad, pathetic shell of a xenophobe! You'll feel much better once you stop trying to pretend you're a decent person.
Sukhoiman wrote:One need not look further than India to see what the islamic hordes are capable of.
They completely destroyed numerous temples all across India....in the name of their god. The largest was likely the Somnath temple which was from all accounts similar in size to angkor wat...
They ransacked and burned the nalanda university to the ground as well...a university that attracted scholars from all over asia and the world at large. One can only imagine the dearth of cultural knowledge, historical texts and other works of note (similar to the alexandria library) that were lost in this one act of iconoclast.
This is the reason why the suspicion and sometimes outright hate towards muslims is still perpetuated in India today....their attempt at iconoclasm and attitude of intolerance is hard to forget.
The whole concept of the value of diversity, tolerance and the right to have other cultures exist is completely alien to them.
Not to mention the millions of people they butchered (but this was not limited to only them but was a feature of human history in general).
Their descendants today also do not like for people to read about what their ancestors did....in the guise that they cannot be held responsible for the deeds of their forefathers (fair enough)....but the underlying root cause of why their forefathers did what they did still exists in their society....and thats why we have this cultural genocide whenever they are in the majority or even near majority in a society (examples are to be found not only in Pakistan, Egypt and Iran....but also in countries like Malaysia and India).
Lololol literally blood guilt in the guise of "cultural inferiority".
Anyways, Gands, supposedly Alyrium Denryle posted on HPCA for some unfathomable reason. Do you have any links or anything?