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[adr]

Subject: Hook up for casual sex with lonely sing les in your home town!


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my spam filter is amazing to know not to flag this

[Darth Tedious]

That is good intuition for a spam filter
Mine is shit
Keeps flagging everything
What if I'd wanted to order that cheap Viagra?
Too late now

[Count Chocula]

3 minutes into the debate, and Biden's already lost control of his face.

[Count Chocula]

"these are the most crippling sanctions in the history of sanctions. period."

That whole Treaty of Versailles thing was just a delicious plate of ham and eggs compared to Iran's sanctions~

[adr]

"we need to change their mind!"

well since they don't want a bomb right now, changing their mind means they would get a bomb....



and jesus christ, keep kissing that israeli ass

fuck these guys

[Count Chocula]

Joe's been a good friend of Bebe for 39 years. That ass kissing pandering fucker.

[Bakustra]

"these are the most crippling sanctions in the history of sanctions. period."

That whole Treaty of Versailles thing was just a delicious plate of ham and eggs compared to Iran's sanctions~

yeah, they actually were

the versailles "sanctions" merely demanded reparations and restricted germany's ability to arm itself or to sell and buy weapons

the sanctions against iran have increased the prices of basic goods, dangerously affected its civilian airfleet, restrict the ability of iranian banks to do business

there's really no comparison

[Count Chocula]

You're right, Germany post WWI definitely had no turmoil or hyperinflation. What was I thinking?

[adr]

joe biden's style amuses me at least now that he's out of bibi's ass

[Bakustra]

You're right, Germany post WWI definitely had no turmoil or hyperinflation. What was I thinking?

the hyperinflation was at least partially deliberate in an attempt to reduce the debt by reducing the real value of the deutschemark

the turmoil was because the treaty was more humiliating than economically damaging. the most damaging provision was the occupation of the rhineland, which was still less damaging than the effects of american sanctions on the iranian airfleet.

[Count Chocula]

You're right, Germany post WWI definitely had no turmoil or hyperinflation. What was I thinking?

the hyperinflation was at least partially deliberate in an attempt to reduce the debt by reducing the real value of the deutschemark
.
the turmoil was because the treaty was more humiliating than economically damaging. the most damaging provision was the occupation of the rhineland, which was still less damaging than the effects of american sanctions on the iranian airfleet.

You are one stupid quacker. Why don't you take 5 minutes to read the details of the Versailles Treaty. There's no comparison.

[adr]

the iranian sanctions are absolutely indefensible, regardless of how bad they are in comparison to other things. they're based on LIES and even if it wasn't, it is hurting the wrong people

[Count Chocula]

They want nukes. They want to nuke Israel. They fund and train terrorists. The US and oh a couple of other states want to discourage them. This admin stood by when the last best hope for Iran was murdered by the Ahmadenijad regime but still managed to nut up. There's plenty of defensible reasons for sanctions against Iran.

[Bakustra]

You're right, Germany post WWI definitely had no turmoil or hyperinflation. What was I thinking?

the hyperinflation was at least partially deliberate in an attempt to reduce the debt by reducing the real value of the deutschemark
.
the turmoil was because the treaty was more humiliating than economically damaging. the most damaging provision was the occupation of the rhineland, which was still less damaging than the effects of american sanctions on the iranian airfleet.

You are one stupid quacker. Why don't you take 5 minutes to read the details of the Versailles Treaty. There's no comparison.

details: $226 billion German marks in reparations, return of Alsace-Lorraine to France, opportunity for Schleswig to return to Denmark, cession of the Danzig corridor to Poland to give it a coastline, restrictions on army size and the production, purchase, and sale of weapons. the most damaging provision still isn't as dangerous as letting the iranian airfleet age to the point of accidents. people are likely to fucking die because of these sanctions, jackass. how many people directly died as a result of versailles?

They want nukes. They want to nuke Israel. They fund and train terrorists. The US and oh a couple of other states want to discourage them. This admin stood by when the last best hope for Iran was murdered by the Ahmadenijad regime but still managed to nut up. There's plenty of defensible reasons for sanctions against Iran.

maybe, no, yes, yes with qualifications, haha you literally want american soldiers to die you fuck, oh and you don't give a damn about the real effects of sanctions apparently

[Straha]

They want nukes. They want to nuke Israel. They fund and train terrorists. The US and oh a couple of other states want to discourage them. This admin stood by when the last best hope for Iran was murdered by the Ahmadenijad regime but still managed to nut up. There's plenty of defensible reasons for sanctions against Iran.

You're wrong on every fucking level. Like, just flat wrong. Completely, totally, utterly wrong.

Worst case scenario, even if you were right sanctions still are the wrong way to go about doing dissuading Iran from building nukes. (Which, they're not.)

[adr]

"I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people.” Israeli Defense Forces Chief Benny Gantz.

“We are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. They act and behave as a rational nation-state.” U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Martin Dempsey.

“The regime is a very rational regime. There is no doubt they are considering all the implications of their actions.” Former Israeli Mossad Chief Meir Dagan.

“Iran poses a serious threat but not an existential one.” Former Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz.

“We continue to judge that Iran’s nuclear decision-making is guided by a cost-benefit approach.” U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

“Iran is unlikely to initiate or provoke a conflict.” U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency Director Ron Burgess.

“But the intelligence does not show that they’ve made the decision to proceed with developing a nuclear weapon” U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta

“the agency has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran." IAEA head from 1997-2009, Mohamed ElBaradei

"We believe that using nuclear weapons is haraam and prohibited and that it is everybody’s duty to make efforts to protect humanity against this great disaster." Leader of Iran's Islamic Revolution Ali Khamenei



US and Israeli intelligence agree that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program and the IAEA has not found a single shred of credible evidence that Iran has has one, despite years of intense observations and strict controls.

Indeed, the most recent report gave us hard evidence that they at least aren't completely bullshitting: 1/3 of their stockpiled fuel has been turned into rods for the medical research reactor over the last several months. After fuel is turned into rods, it is impossible to enrich it further.

[Count Chocula]

adr, are you implying that Obama, Hillary, China and Russia are bullying Iran for no purpose?

[adr]

there's a purpose, it just isn't what they say it is

[Straha]

adr, are you implying that Obama, Hillary, China and Russia are bullying Iran for no purpose?

Yes. Because they come from a kneejerk institutional mindset that creates threats to propogate its own existence (largely based on racial and colonial framing) and that searches for whatever excuses it can have to appear like it's doing something

[artemas]

yo straha, why do you think that iran is not developing nuclear weapons?

[Losonti Tokash]

[Losonti Tokash]

[Straha]

yo straha, why do you think that iran is not developing nuclear weapons?

A. Ideological proscriptions against it. Khomeini and Khameni have both strongly come down against their necessity or use, and I respect them enough to take them at their word.

B. No reason to develop them. They get nothing but a fiscal headache from trying to build them, especially in a world where they can't deploy any weapons in any sort of reasonable way.

C. Regional stability depends on them not having them. What they want is the surge capacity to be able to build them should shit dramatically alter the region, but if they were to build weapons in the status quo it is the sure fire way to get everyone in the area united against Iran and Iranian interests.

D. They're more of a bargaining chip undeveloped then they are developed. Nuclear Weapons are, to quote a man who I feel disturbed for liking, a paper tiger but the threat of getting them carries a ton of pressure. As long as that threat exists they can get significant leeway with regards to a whole slew of issues, and they have the ability to punch way above their weigh on a geopolitical scale.

Just to clarify some points here, Iran has a GDP roughly equivalent to that of Massachusetts. The total Iranian military budget is, give-or-take, $10 Billion, which is not much more than what is spent on police and anti-terrorism efforts for New York City. There is no reason Iran should be the focus of international attention that it is, but the attention it gets in large part from its nuclear program is what lets it leverage itself as it has over the past decade.

There's more, but those are the big reasons.

[Straha]

I was wrong. With a NYPD budget of $5 Billion, and a Port Authority of New York/New Jersey budget of $7 Billion the local police departments in New York spend more than the entire Iranian military budget. If you include Federal and State Spending I bet you it's roughly double what the Iranians spend on their military.

[Darth Tedious]

biggest convention of the year this weekend
Yay
About to go eat super awesome chilli parma with the rest of my squad
Lots of win right there
Mrs. Parma's LOL what a restaurant
I'll leave my review of the sauce later