Lament 3: Cry Hard With A Vengeance

[Bob the Gunslinger]

So... there are pictures of naked guys on the phone she gave to the kids?

[timmy]

Yeah, it pinged a notification and bam, dicks.

Not real happy about that.

[Zablorg]

tumblr allows you to automatically gif your webcam up and i have been enjoying myself enormously

[timmy]

Oh shit that is the best ever

[Civil War Man]

one part is that a lot of people that have been raped are pretty offended by rape jokes, so you shouldn't say them, in general, because you're being an asshole to no gain.

I find it generally assholish to joke about a crime to a victim of that crime (except murder victims, since they've never been offended by murder jokes ). But I do agree that special care should be taken to avoid rape jokes in particular, just due to the level of victim shaming that goes on.

It's actually quite unique. The only other crime that comes to mind that anywhere near the level of victim blaming as rape is grifting, and that's usually not as traumatizing unless the money stolen prevents the victim from being able to make ends meet.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Yeah, it pinged a notification and bam, dicks.

Not real happy about that.

Seems like leverage you could use.

[RyanThunder]

The only other crime that comes to mind that anywhere near the level of victim blaming as rape is grifting, and that's usually not as traumatizing unless the money stolen prevents the victim from being able to make ends meet.

I totally read that as "regifting"

[Questor]

A question or two:

Do I recall that you're in a custody fight?

If so, would this type of behavior (leaving the phone with the link, not necessarily the sexual behavior) be valuable in Australian norms?

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Just to be clear, I'm only talking about the penis picture + children = serious questions dynamic. I am not advocating using her personal life against her in any way, except for the times when it results in your children suffering (for example, from penis pictures).

My understanding is that he is in some kind of custody or legal battle with her and that she has been constantly using the children as pawns against him.

[timmy]

If I actually wanted to get full custody, I already had enough evidence before this.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Why don't you? From what you've told us, she puts the kids' well being well behind her own interests.

[Oxymoron]

How am I supposed to answer that ?

Imma leave this here

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Not to be 'that guy', but that entire article is bullshit.


It consistently argues that hearing rape jokes and finding them funny leads to putting more blame on rape victims and being more lenient on rapists because "studies have proven".
I laugh at 99% of rape jokes I ever hear and find them absolutely hilarious, but that doesn't mean I think rape is less bad. I'm the guy who thinks all rapists should have their giblets cauterized with a blowtorch.
This is another one of those wonderful scare-campaigns that always has to show up that suddenly exploded in the last month, and nothing else. It's never going to change anything no matter how hard it tries; it's arguing something that can never be proven, only theorized; and it's starting to turn into an attack on certain people (in this case 'offensive' comedians).
On top of that, what the hell was up with that comparison at the beginning? "If you sell something that people use to hurt others, it's your fault too". This is one of the things I can't stand, and honestly it pisses me off more than just about anything else in the world. Let's all blame a horrible action on someone who "enabled" it by providing x-item to the one who did it. Someone rapes a girl/guy and we blame a dirty comedian for telling a joke. Someone shoots a kid and we blame a gunshop owner for selling him the gun or the company for making the gun. Someone dies from lung cancer after smoking for 40 years and we blame tobbacco companies for making cigarrettes. A jackass teenager shoots up a school and everyone blames videogames and the people who make them. All of these are the result of someone's CHOICE, and for some reason our culture blames someone who just did their job. It's like trying to blame a doctor if he couldn't save a kid who put a gun in his mouth.
Have we really fallen into this mindset where we just assume everyone is so impressionable that whenever they do something, the blame has to be put on someone else who must have influenced them or forced them to make that choice? Because that's what it's starting to seem like to me nowadays, and I'm fuckin' sick of it.

Yes, I get that actions of others and media does have some influence on how people act and how they think, but it's not to the point that it controls our fuckin' actions. People can still be held responsible for their own actions, no matter how hard it is to believe that humans are capable of doing some things. This is where I can agree with some of the article, that the jokes do somewhat desensitize us to the issue and make it seem smaller, but that doesn't mean everyone is starting to think it's okay! And those who do don't think so because of a few jokes; that kind of mindset has to be learned and ingrained over a long period of time, from someone you trust and emulate.

And to finish up my rant; Rape Culture.
I fucking hate that phrase now, because it DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST!!!
'Rape Culture' is a concept, an idea that was conceived but has never actually existed, so fucking stop saying that it does. It's the concept of a culture that condones rape and supports it in a completely non-joking way: as if nobody in said culture would give 2 shits if they were raped or if someone they loved was raped. It's the idea of rape becoming status-quo, something that is so normal we don't even care anymore, or even praise rapists.
So either I live in the wrong area, know the wrong people, or am just absolutely blind and deaf, but I have yet to experience any time when someone was raped and I actually heard the words "that's awesome" in a non-joking manner (remember, joking is not always acceptance, joking can be a method of coping with an uncomfortable situation). Last year there was a big case here and I heard at least 200 people talking about how much they would love to torture the rapist involved. Doesn't sound like acceptance to me, in fact it sounds like the exact opposite.
So yeah, Rape Culture is a lie told by people trying to get their point across and sound legitimate and serious, even if they don't know what the phrase truly means.


So yeah, congrats to this article for hitting one of my hot-buttons.

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I hate it when people become over-emotional over an issue and lose capacity for rational thought.

[Infinity Biscuit]

Upvotes

wait are you on reddit or something because that would be your problem right there

[RyanThunder]

What's wrong with reddit?

[Oxymoron]

No, it's not Reddit, it's just a forum where posts can be upvoted or downvoted. It's actually relatively rare for posts to be upvoted (even once), and rarer yet for them to be downvoted.

The fact that my post was upvoted twice (which is relatively rare), and his thrice, is in this context noteworthy on its own.


@ Ryan : There's a whole sub-reddit dedicated to Men's Rights, and the place in general is a known haven to the Homo Sapiens Fedora sub-genus and a whole host of other nasty critters.

[Infinity Biscuit]

There's a whole sub-reddit dedicated to spreading sexualised pictures of minors taken without their consent, too. If you're gonna talk about the bad subreddits, that's one to go to :L

[evilsoup]

I thought that one got shut down? The guy running it got exposed and lost his job or something?

anyway mang every few months we get a judge over here saying something like 'that twelve year old was totally asking for it' and giving the perp a reduced sentence, so saying that rape culture doesn't exist is just

[Oxymoron]

But, listen, he doesn't know anyone who consciously say that rape is a good thing so obviously there isn't a thing named "rape culture".

[evilsoup]

it's almost like he's never paid attention to the actual definition of that term and is instead arguing in bad faith because you're making him feel bad about his shitty rape jokes
or something

[RyanThunder]

No, it's not Reddit, it's just a forum where posts can be upvoted or downvoted. It's actually relatively rare for posts to be upvoted (even once), and rarer yet for them to be downvoted.

The fact that my post was upvoted twice (which is relatively rare), and his thrice, is in this context noteworthy on its own.


@ Ryan : There's a whole sub-reddit dedicated to Men's Rights, and the place in general is a known haven to the Homo Sapiens Fedora sub-genus and a whole host of other nasty critters.

Yeah I used to visit seddit before I got tired of it.

AFAIK you can start a subreddit for anything without having to notify anybody. So I figure a few bad subreddits doesn't really reflect badly on the whole of reddit.

Of course i could be wrong.

EDIT: otoh the fedoras are just unforgiveable so i don't know what to think now

[Oxymoron]

The funny thing is

he's the writer of this Fallout Equestria story.

Why is that funny ? Read the first two chapters.

The defining "trait" of the main female character is to have been raped for years by her father, imprisoned in the family home while never being allowed to go out.

He's just suffering from misplaced priorities, placing free speech over social engineering efforts aiming at changing a culture he negates the existence of.

Efforts should be directed at proving the existence of this culture to him, but I don't know what arguments to use.

Which is why I ask of you people your help in this struggle.

[Infinity Biscuit]

It's not even a free speech issue; no one's asking for censorship. What he's prioritising is his ability to say whatever he wants regardless of consequences and avoid all criticism for it.

[Jung]

It's not even a free speech issue; no one's asking for censorship. What he's prioritising is his ability to say whatever he wants regardless of consequences and avoid all criticism for it.

I've noticed this trend of thinking negative social consequences for saying stuff is evil infringement of your liberty equivalent to censorship.

I find it one of the most odious parts of the "but ... muh freedom!" mentality.

Also deeply ironic because a hugbox isn't what actual free speech looks like.

[Flagg]

Is this person under the age of 25? Because they are unreachable.

[Oxymoron]

Is this person under the age of 25? Because they are unreachable.

What do you mean by that ?